A!A (warning: tl;dr)
anonymous
January 4 2011, 04:19:43 UTC
I find it so interesting that you see this as obviously rape because I thought of it as more dub-con basically because China doesn't necessarily know about how badly America's government is coercing him into doing this. I think if anyone's guilty of rape here it's really the humans who arranged the whole thing. But with the guilt, I just don't see it in America's character to sit around being guilty: sooner or later he's going to up and try to do something about it!
I don't think I could write a sequel because I'd have to do too much economic research and I just don't have the time right now, but I do like to think that America isn't just in denial and we will be able to get through this (if we can stop the stupid infighting, accept that it's going to be tough, and focus on the damn problem instead of petty political agendas). One guy with a laptop is a little ridiculous though so if that's what you're talking about then yeah, he's going to end up needing hella help. I totally don't have tons of headcanon about America's ridiculous one-man deficit smash attempts, no sir! Not at all!
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anonymous
January 5 2011, 05:59:13 UTC
I do see it as rape because of how America reacted after wards but I can see how it is also more like borderline rape and dubcon (he "technically agreed" to it and wasn't screaming no).
Yes, the humans were guilty but I can't think that such an incredibly old nation couldn't see how much America /was not enjoying/. Especially after, seeing how America could barely even get it up. The humans arranged it but by agreeing to it and continuing it instead of paying attention to how America felt China agreed to rape him. Simply placing the blame on the humans here is not correct! China is old enough decide for himself whether he was raping someone and old enough to know how 'diplomacy' in these situations works.
You could always just make it Au or say its somewhere in the future without giving a specific time period. I don't see that as lazy but as creative. ^^ Of course its perfectly fine as is!
Captcha- woah I just got Asian characters (and benzol) on this thing haha
Well, I think you can consent to something without enjoying it (I consent to being treated by my dentist and I sure don't enjoy that!). You do make a good point that China should be old enough to infer what's going on; I hadn't really thought about that angle of things. But I know that everyone has a different personal line between noncon and dubcon and at a certain point there really isn't much use arguing about it. Anyway, I'm just happy you cared enough to leave such a thoughtful comment and discuss it with me! So thanks again for reading :D
However that is helpful and completely different to being sold off by humans, taken advantage of by a fellow nation who is waaay older, and then traumatized enough by the end of it that he smashed anything made by china. America even mentioned he barely consents to Canada topping which makes it dubcon/borderline rape in my eyes.
Umm now it seems I'm arguing with you sorry ...I didnt mean to come of so aggressive. If you could see my facial expressions it be relaxed and not pissy. ^^; sorryz *scurries away*
Yeah, but my point was "not enjoying it" does not automatically equal "not consenting to it." If I don't want to do something, I can still consent to do it because I realize it's necessary: America quite obviously doesn't want to be there, but from China's POV that doesn't necessarily mean he's not consenting. But it's still all kinds of levels of creepy and wrong of course; I guess I just see it as more dubious.
And the Canada thing: it's not that he doesn't consent, but rather that he just has Issues about being penetrated, and they have to take it super slow (like literally, [one finger] [two fingers] "no wait too fast go back to one" slow) - his problem with Canada was that one time Canada went a little too fast and America freaked, not that he wasn't consenting to the sex. All of which would have been a lot clearer if I had actually explained the rest of that story (the part where Canada then slowed down until America was comfortable again instead of shoving America all up on his dick the way China did) instead of leaving all you guys to read my mind orz. I'm so bad with doing that /o\
You don't come off as aggressive; it's totally fine.
Hmm I see your point now. He agreed to it, knew it was necessary for his people, and in the end China saw the consent as permission to continue regardless of what he saw on America's face/body. These things make it dubcon.
I can see your reasoning and I understand better now. Thanks for the furhter explanation.:)
Though I still see it as boderline rape/rape it in no way took away from the story. In fact that creepy atmosphere added to it.
I don't think I could write a sequel because I'd have to do too much economic research and I just don't have the time right now, but I do like to think that America isn't just in denial and we will be able to get through this (if we can stop the stupid infighting, accept that it's going to be tough, and focus on the damn problem instead of petty political agendas). One guy with a laptop is a little ridiculous though so if that's what you're talking about then yeah, he's going to end up needing hella help. I totally don't have tons of headcanon about America's ridiculous one-man deficit smash attempts, no sir! Not at all!
Anyway, I'm so glad you liked it!
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Yes, the humans were guilty but I can't think that such an incredibly old nation couldn't see how much America /was not enjoying/. Especially after, seeing how America could barely even get it up. The humans arranged it but by agreeing to it and continuing it instead of paying attention to how America felt China agreed to rape him. Simply placing the blame on the humans here is not correct! China is old enough decide for himself whether he was raping someone and old enough to know how 'diplomacy' in these situations works.
You could always just make it Au or say its somewhere in the future without giving a specific time period. I don't see that as lazy but as creative. ^^ Of course its perfectly fine as is!
Captcha- woah I just got Asian characters (and benzol) on this thing haha
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However that is helpful and completely different to being sold off by humans, taken advantage of by a fellow nation who is waaay older, and then traumatized enough by the end of it that he smashed anything made by china. America even mentioned he barely consents to Canada topping which makes it dubcon/borderline rape in my eyes.
Umm now it seems I'm arguing with you sorry ...I didnt mean to come of so aggressive. If you could see my facial expressions it be relaxed and not pissy. ^^; sorryz *scurries away*
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And the Canada thing: it's not that he doesn't consent, but rather that he just has Issues about being penetrated, and they have to take it super slow (like literally, [one finger] [two fingers] "no wait too fast go back to one" slow) - his problem with Canada was that one time Canada went a little too fast and America freaked, not that he wasn't consenting to the sex. All of which would have been a lot clearer if I had actually explained the rest of that story (the part where Canada then slowed down until America was comfortable again instead of shoving America all up on his dick the way China did) instead of leaving all you guys to read my mind orz. I'm so bad with doing that /o\
You don't come off as aggressive; it's totally fine.
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I can see your reasoning and I understand better now. Thanks for the furhter explanation.:)
Though I still see it as boderline rape/rape it in no way took away from the story. In fact that creepy atmosphere added to it.
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Anyway, you're welcome and thanks for discussing it with me! :D
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