Legend of the Seeker Season 1 Finale: Reckoning

Apr 03, 2011 16:16


1.22: Reckoning
This is probably my favorite episode.  It and Season 2's Princess vie for the top spot.  What I want to talk about briefly, though, is the portrayal of Kahlan and Darken Rahl's relationship.

some jumbled thoughts on that, with spoilers for the season 1 finale )

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vorquellyn April 5 2011, 02:59:25 UTC
Not the way normal people fall in love, at least.

This bit makes me uncomfortable. Is there such a thing as normal love? Is abnormal love worth less than normal love?

As he lay there beside Kahlan's coffin, bleeding out, his last thought was probably something along the lines of, "I should have listened to Kahlan."

I kind of doubt that. He hasn't been shown to do much blame throwing over the course of events. If anything, I'd expect his thoughts to be about irony or how he should have done something to curb Nicholas's powers.

Other than that, I tend to agree with you. I'm not sure I'd describe Darken's feelings towards Kahlan as trust or love but he was certainly fond of her or who he thought she was. I see his reaction to her as trying to prove that he's the hero he thinks he is. I think he sees Kahlan at least partly as the-Seeker's-woman even after Richard is gone. I think he thinks that if he can seduce her, it will prove he's right. And having her on his side is useful for his plans of Peace and Unity.

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dorothydeath April 5 2011, 03:14:25 UTC
Is there such a thing as normal love?
Oh, good question! =))

...or who he thought she was.
Yes, that's the problem with so many relationships. So often we don't see people for who they really are.

And Darken does say he wants her understanding. So I think you're right - he wants to prove to her (and himself) that he's right. More than anything else I guess...

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sakuraberries April 5 2011, 03:25:37 UTC
No, no, not worth less at all! What I meant was...Rahl wouldn't love Kahlan in a selfless, self-sacrificing, all-consuming sort of way. Like, I don't think he would ever think of her before himself, and isn't that what love is about? But perhaps I should have worded it differently.

If anything, I'd expect his thoughts to be about irony or how he should have done something to curb Nicholas's powers.

Well, yeah, that's exactly what I meant! That he would think he should have listened to Kahlan about Nikolas being dangerous because he was a male confessor.

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vorquellyn April 5 2011, 03:36:34 UTC
You can love someone without it being all consuming. Loving someone so much that you'd be willing to lay down your life for them, sure. Loving someone so much that you give up everything else you care about, not really healthy. That way tends to lie codependency and resentment.

Ah, ok. I thought you meant he'd think she was right about killing Nicholas.

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sakuraberries April 5 2011, 03:40:09 UTC
Yes, the "laying down your life for them" part. Not necessarily the "all-consuming" part. >.>

Actually, yeah, that is what I meant. About killing Nicholas from birth and then having another child, a girl.

Rahl isn't above killing children that would unseat him, even if they are his own - in Season 2 he tells Cara that he killed their son at birth because he "couldn't risk the little bastard" fighting his power. Which is weird, now that I think about it - he's not willing to let a regular boy live because it's too risky, and yet he lets a male confessor live?

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vorquellyn April 5 2011, 03:51:06 UTC
This is why I don't believe he killed Cara's son. I find it far more likely he was lying to her to try to break her than that he'd kill Cara's son but leave a male Confessor alive. We're told he planned to raise Dennee's son so it isn't even about Nicholas being his son.

I think have more kids would have been a good idea both for Darken's plan and for Kahlan's. More kids = wider distribution of Confessor powers and more chance for one of them to be alive when Richard gets there. After all, accidents happen. For Darken, more legitimate children might serve to further legitimize his status as Kahlan's husband in the eyes of their people. He can always use the spares for alliances with other countries.

As I said in my other comment, I don't think infanticide is necessarily the answer.

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sakuraberries April 5 2011, 04:15:26 UTC
This is why I don't believe he killed Cara's son. I find it far more likely he was lying to her to try to break her than that he'd kill Cara's son but leave a male Confessor alive.

You think? Interesting; I never considered that possibility (unless it's just discontinuity due to lazy writing, of course >.>).

Honestly, my mind has been blown; I'm never looking at Reckoning or Kahlan the same way ever again. I see many flaws in her and her plan now, not just the idealized version she led us to see. That's what good discussions are for. :)

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vorquellyn April 5 2011, 04:23:17 UTC
Yep. That's why I like discussing this show. There's so much going on and it's fun to come up with in universe theories. :D

For the record, I like Kahlan as a character. I think she's interesting and generally does more good than evil.

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brontefanatic April 5 2011, 04:39:35 UTC
"Honestly, my mind has been blown; I'm never looking at Reckoning or Kahlan the same way ever again." - Welcome to the Palace ^_^

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sakuraberries April 5 2011, 04:46:38 UTC
Haha, I'm very glad to have found you guys! :D

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dorothydeath April 5 2011, 04:20:35 UTC
This is why I don't believe he killed Cara's son. I find it far more likely he was lying to her to try to break her than that he'd kill Cara's son but leave a male Confessor alive.
I support this theory too.

And why would he kill his son when he clearly wants to have a family so much?

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