I just have the final two now to go, and I'm done S1. Pretty snazzy. Today's episodes are Provenance and Dead Man's Blood. One of them is interesting, the other one is not.
I also love when Sam shouts "oh my god!" It's so funny. I thought it was common to call graveyards boneyards. It was a cute ep, but yeah, just filler.
Dead Man's Blood
Sam says something like, "You ever notice that dad had a falling out with just about everybody?" in one of the episodes. I actually really understand what that's like. ^^; It's a consequence of seeing the world in a rather stark, black and white way. Either you're with me, or you're useless, no in between. Little wonder that young Dean tried so hard to stay in the useful category.
About Sam's wanting to know, I totally understand that too. It's the researcher in him that never just accepts what he's told, never accepts anything at face value. I think it makes him a sharp hunter, but I can see why it annoys John. I used to have this argument regularly with my hubby. He'd say something, I'd say, how do you know? He'd say, because I know. And I'd say, I don't believe you. And he'd say, of course you don't. And finally one day I had to say look, it's got nothing to do with you or how I feel about you or whether or not I trust/believe you. It's just that I don't believe anything that anyone says until I fact check it myself! He still gets annoyed with me about it from time to time, but at least now he tries to take it a little less personally. John being who he is though, I could see how he'd take that really fucking personal, cuz it just goes back to his with me or not mentality, and questioning his judgment definitely falls in the "not with me" category.
I think it's perverse how much enjoyment Sam seems to get out of John chastising Dean for the car. I started to write a fic based on this dynamic but didn't quite finish it. I think in this instance, "if that's what it takes" means, to finish this job.
Dean's used to those two bickering, and probably it feels like home to him. I think he's happy.
damn you, woman, you're making me rewatch this ep. lol! I just noticed that Jensen is shorter than JDM. No wonder everyone is surprised by how tall he really is when they meet him! He's just surrounded by giants!
To be fair, I'm pretty sure John was always an orderly professional killing machine. Look at that damn journal!
The Winchester interaction is awesome in this ep. I must sit down and rewatch when I finish S2, probably tomorrow. YAY!
I think you hit the nail on the head there with everyone's personality.
I guess boneyard isn't that common a saying in Canada :P
It's funny, because I'm a researcher, but I don't have that same question-fact-check thing that you and Sam have. It's true, I don't tend to believe people until I fact check things myself or their explanation agrees with my own reasoning...but I guess I also learnt not to question people to their face. So, someone will tell me something, and I'll say "Uh huh, ok" even if I think they might have just made up the information on the spot. I don't call them on it unless I know for certain that it is wrong - such as someone saying something I know to be historically inaccurate, or someone saying something ignorant/racist etc. Maybe it comes from my non-confrontational nature...but I tend to just listen, and then fact check in private, and then maybe bring it up to them later if I find out that they were wrong.
But then, I've never been in a situation where I've been taking orders from someone...I probably WOULD question those if I didn't know if the reasoning behind them was sound. Well, that's not true...I take orders from my bestfriend when we are playing strategy games, because I have absolutely no head for strategy, and he does, so in that case, my own reasoning doesn't understand what's going on even if he explains.
But yeah...back to your points: I think you really have John pegged. You are way better at explaining John to me than I am at figuring him out myself! So thanks! I would just be walking around horribly confused by the man, if not for you.
I think Sam just likes his Dad criticizing Dean about the car, because Sam has a hang-up about Dean being the perfect son.
True about Dean being at home with the bickering. I know some families where all they do is bicker, and they don't even bat an eyelash at it...that's just how their family is. My family NEVER bickers, so to us it's a completely uncomfortable thing to be around.
It's funny how much our own personalities affect how we interpret other people...there's a name for that, but it's 1am, so I'm not going to remember it anytime soon.
Well, I guess I wouldn't be super confrontational with people I didn't know, but towards my own family, yeah. They'd get the unblunted business end of my skepticism. I was thinking about this conversation when I watched S02E20 tonight and I think I came up with a pretty good explanation for Sam's questioning ways. :)
Naw, I don't think you'd be horribly confused. I love your fics, and I think you write them all very believably! But as for why I'm so attuned to John, I think in similar circumstances, I could become John. I also feel I share personality traits with Sam. That's why I contend that the two of them are much more alike than they realize or care to admit. It's funny but I find it hardest to get into Dean's head.
My hubby's family is like that, bickers all the time. Used to make me really uncomfortable. Now I just tune it out!
I just read your take on Sam, and it made a ton of sense!
It's funny, because I find it easiest to get into Dean's head. Except for the difference in our devotion to our fathers, Dean and I are actually pretty damn similar - we both have a younger sibling that we pretty much raised, we are both the devoted-defender-types when it comes to people we love, and we both have similar inexplicable insecurities.
As for the bickering, I can't really explain it. Out of a family of five, only one of my sisters every bickers...she's the odd one out. The rest of us have conflict sure, but we have sort of silent conflicts that are resolved equally as silently...sort of, action not words, if you know what I mean.
Aww, you're like Dean! That's so sweet. My hubby is that sort of personality. I'm loyal, but in the "I'll kill anyone who hurts you" or the "I'll avenge your death" sort of way, as opposed to the "I'll take care of you" way. Hee!
That's a big family! Hubby's family has 5 siblings and when they all get bickering at each other, it's pandemonium. Me and the other significant others (the two husbands) just sit there and over the years, we've learned to consider it a spectator sport. lol!
Thinking further on it, I realized that actually when I'm not around, my little sister and my mother actually WOULD get into more fights. They are constantly misunderstanding each other. The difference is that my little sister knows that I really don't like being around them when they are fighting, so she purposefully tries not to get into it with Mum if I'm around. So yeah, I'm even more like Dean than I thought, only my "Sammy" is a little more considerate :P
I couldn't imagine 5 siblings bickering at each other! It was hard enough for me to adjust to the one bickering sister, and I grew up with her. :-P
I also love when Sam shouts "oh my god!" It's so funny. I thought it was common to call graveyards boneyards. It was a cute ep, but yeah, just filler.
Dead Man's Blood
Sam says something like, "You ever notice that dad had a falling out with just about everybody?" in one of the episodes. I actually really understand what that's like. ^^; It's a consequence of seeing the world in a rather stark, black and white way. Either you're with me, or you're useless, no in between. Little wonder that young Dean tried so hard to stay in the useful category.
About Sam's wanting to know, I totally understand that too. It's the researcher in him that never just accepts what he's told, never accepts anything at face value. I think it makes him a sharp hunter, but I can see why it annoys John. I used to have this argument regularly with my hubby. He'd say something, I'd say, how do you know? He'd say, because I know. And I'd say, I don't believe you. And he'd say, of course you don't. And finally one day I had to say look, it's got nothing to do with you or how I feel about you or whether or not I trust/believe you. It's just that I don't believe anything that anyone says until I fact check it myself! He still gets annoyed with me about it from time to time, but at least now he tries to take it a little less personally. John being who he is though, I could see how he'd take that really fucking personal, cuz it just goes back to his with me or not mentality, and questioning his judgment definitely falls in the "not with me" category.
I think it's perverse how much enjoyment Sam seems to get out of John chastising Dean for the car. I started to write a fic based on this dynamic but didn't quite finish it. I think in this instance, "if that's what it takes" means, to finish this job.
Dean's used to those two bickering, and probably it feels like home to him. I think he's happy.
damn you, woman, you're making me rewatch this ep. lol! I just noticed that Jensen is shorter than JDM. No wonder everyone is surprised by how tall he really is when they meet him! He's just surrounded by giants!
To be fair, I'm pretty sure John was always an orderly professional killing machine. Look at that damn journal!
The Winchester interaction is awesome in this ep. I must sit down and rewatch when I finish S2, probably tomorrow. YAY!
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I guess boneyard isn't that common a saying in Canada :P
It's funny, because I'm a researcher, but I don't have that same question-fact-check thing that you and Sam have. It's true, I don't tend to believe people until I fact check things myself or their explanation agrees with my own reasoning...but I guess I also learnt not to question people to their face. So, someone will tell me something, and I'll say "Uh huh, ok" even if I think they might have just made up the information on the spot. I don't call them on it unless I know for certain that it is wrong - such as someone saying something I know to be historically inaccurate, or someone saying something ignorant/racist etc. Maybe it comes from my non-confrontational nature...but I tend to just listen, and then fact check in private, and then maybe bring it up to them later if I find out that they were wrong.
But then, I've never been in a situation where I've been taking orders from someone...I probably WOULD question those if I didn't know if the reasoning behind them was sound. Well, that's not true...I take orders from my bestfriend when we are playing strategy games, because I have absolutely no head for strategy, and he does, so in that case, my own reasoning doesn't understand what's going on even if he explains.
But yeah...back to your points: I think you really have John pegged. You are way better at explaining John to me than I am at figuring him out myself! So thanks! I would just be walking around horribly confused by the man, if not for you.
I think Sam just likes his Dad criticizing Dean about the car, because Sam has a hang-up about Dean being the perfect son.
True about Dean being at home with the bickering. I know some families where all they do is bicker, and they don't even bat an eyelash at it...that's just how their family is. My family NEVER bickers, so to us it's a completely uncomfortable thing to be around.
It's funny how much our own personalities affect how we interpret other people...there's a name for that, but it's 1am, so I'm not going to remember it anytime soon.
Thanks for the insight!
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Naw, I don't think you'd be horribly confused. I love your fics, and I think you write them all very believably! But as for why I'm so attuned to John, I think in similar circumstances, I could become John. I also feel I share personality traits with Sam. That's why I contend that the two of them are much more alike than they realize or care to admit. It's funny but I find it hardest to get into Dean's head.
My hubby's family is like that, bickers all the time. Used to make me really uncomfortable. Now I just tune it out!
Definitely! I don't know the name either...hehe.
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It's funny, because I find it easiest to get into Dean's head. Except for the difference in our devotion to our fathers, Dean and I are actually pretty damn similar - we both have a younger sibling that we pretty much raised, we are both the devoted-defender-types when it comes to people we love, and we both have similar inexplicable insecurities.
As for the bickering, I can't really explain it. Out of a family of five, only one of my sisters every bickers...she's the odd one out. The rest of us have conflict sure, but we have sort of silent conflicts that are resolved equally as silently...sort of, action not words, if you know what I mean.
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Aww, you're like Dean! That's so sweet. My hubby is that sort of personality. I'm loyal, but in the "I'll kill anyone who hurts you" or the "I'll avenge your death" sort of way, as opposed to the "I'll take care of you" way. Hee!
That's a big family! Hubby's family has 5 siblings and when they all get bickering at each other, it's pandemonium. Me and the other significant others (the two husbands) just sit there and over the years, we've learned to consider it a spectator sport. lol!
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I couldn't imagine 5 siblings bickering at each other! It was hard enough for me to adjust to the one bickering sister, and I grew up with her. :-P
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