Ooo...I didn't catch that it was 50,000 and 50,000. Good call.
I find this quote by Castiel to be very interesting, because Fate wasn't being capricious and although her death's were intricate, they weren't torturous or all that cruel.
Yes! I forgot to mention that in the post, but you are spot on. I really think Castiel was trying to "spin" this, so that it looked like Fate was the bad guy, and not Castiel for messing with things too much. He was trying to make himself out to be the hero that they should trust, and in order to do that, he needed to make those against him look like villains.
On some level I think Sam would have good reason to feel that the world would be better if he were never born and that not being born would be preferable to going into the Cage for however long he was there. I don't know if the show will ever go this way, but I would like to see it.
It would be VERY interesting, but I'm not sure if it's something we actually want to see. It might be harder to come back from - because the show has already said that if Sam had never been born, then Mary and John would still be alive. Unlike Dean, who would sacrifice his utopia if Sam (or rather, his relationship with Sam) isn't a part of it...I'm not sure Sam would do the same if he saw John and Mary alive, and Dean happy.
I would depend on the real cost. It is possible that Jake or Ava would have provided and adequate substitute vessel for Lucifer. If Sam hadn't been born, then it is unlikely that John would have cheated and Dean would have been about the only vessel around for Michael. John, if still alive, would have been a back up, but if Dean had been raised in a house believing that angels were watching over him AND had never had any reason to be suspicious of angels, he might well have said yes to Michael and the Apocalypse on.
Sam seeing Dean possessed by Michael, half the world dead and who know what other fallout from Dean and another psy kid saying yes to Michael and Lucifer respectively might well make Sam see that his upbringing, his pain, his suffering were the only things that stood between an Apocalyptic battle with Dean being lost in his own body or the relative peace that was obtained by Sam's sacrifice.
I find this quote by Castiel to be very interesting, because Fate wasn't being capricious and although her death's were intricate, they weren't torturous or all that cruel.
Yes! I forgot to mention that in the post, but you are spot on. I really think Castiel was trying to "spin" this, so that it looked like Fate was the bad guy, and not Castiel for messing with things too much. He was trying to make himself out to be the hero that they should trust, and in order to do that, he needed to make those against him look like villains.
On some level I think Sam would have good reason to feel that the world would be better if he were never born and that not being born would be preferable to going into the Cage for however long he was there. I don't know if the show will ever go this way, but I would like to see it.
It would be VERY interesting, but I'm not sure if it's something we actually want to see. It might be harder to come back from - because the show has already said that if Sam had never been born, then Mary and John would still be alive. Unlike Dean, who would sacrifice his utopia if Sam (or rather, his relationship with Sam) isn't a part of it...I'm not sure Sam would do the same if he saw John and Mary alive, and Dean happy.
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Sam seeing Dean possessed by Michael, half the world dead and who know what other fallout from Dean and another psy kid saying yes to Michael and Lucifer respectively might well make Sam see that his upbringing, his pain, his suffering were the only things that stood between an Apocalyptic battle with Dean being lost in his own body or the relative peace that was obtained by Sam's sacrifice.
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But you're right - there are probably plenty of circumstances where Sam would be able to see why it's good he was born.
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