Rewatch S6: ...And Then There Were None (6.16)

[hells_half_acre]

So, in the style of Supernatural, we go from a super funny episode to a super depressing one.
The upshot is that this should be a fairly easy clothing episode, since it's so contained.
Don't get me wrong though, the contained-incident is one of favourite plot thingies (I'm so coherent today), it's just a little hard to watch, because it's so INTENSE.

Comments

[galwithglasses]

Going back to this episode after learning what Cas was doing and seeing the frame of mind that Dean is in (and has been for a long time) makes me wonder if Dean will be able to forgive Cas at some point. More importantly though, I wonder if he will ever forgive himself. I'm glad this is one of the threads they kept running into this season.

By this point in the season, I was pretty glad to be done with the whole Campbell crew. I was pretty bummed about Rufus though.

[percysowner]

I think Dean might eventually be able to forgive Castiel, but as of now Castiel hasn't really apologized for what he did, he just apologized for it not working out. If Cas admitted all his mistakes (including letting Sam out of the panic room) Dean might forgive him in time. The wild card here is that Castiel deliberately hurt Sam several times and Sam is one thing that Dean is totally protective of, so that might stand in the way.

[hells_half_acre]

I beg to differ.

1)I feel Castiel apologized for letting Sam out of the panic room through action, he doesn't need words. I know, it wasn't the greatest apology, and he still gave Sam a hard time about starting the apocalypse, but I think at this point - they've all forgiven each other for that.

2)Castiel did apologize for hurting Sam, saying that if he could, he would fix him again. I also think his apology was for what he did itself, and not just because it didn't work out. Dean just wasn't in a place to forgive him yet - it takes a bit, even really good apologies take a bit.

I think deep down Dean did forgive Cas...and still loves him. Which is why he's still upset over his death. Furthermore, I think, given that Dean views Castiel as a child - that Dean blames himself more than anything for not being able to 'parent' Cas properly.

But that's just what I think at the moment...it really depends where the episodes go from here.

[hells_half_acre]

By this point in the season, I was pretty glad to be done with the whole Campbell crew. I was pretty bummed about Rufus though.

Yeah, me too.

I think Dean has forgiven Cas already - but I'm not so sure he'll ever be able to forgive himself. As I say below, Dean viewing Cas as a child, means that Dean subconsciously takes on more responsibility for Cas' actions - because Dean is the one who is the 'parent'...and when most kids screw up, parents say "where did I go wrong?" rather than "I'll never forgive that stupid kid."

[galwithglasses]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dean saw himself in a parent role with Cas. He's taken that role with a couple of people, Sam for sure, but Jo, too mostly. In a less messed up situation, he'd be in more of a big brother role but that seems to equate with a parent kind of responsibilty in his mind. To some degree, I think he even related to John that way. Whether or not it needed to be that way, that's how he sees himself anyhow. It's one reason why Bobby is so important. Dean takes a completely different role with him. He's not a soldier in Bobby's army and he doesn't have to keep Bobby's family unit together. Bobby can handle himself in a fight and he has Dean's back. It was why I liked having Lisa around. Dean had to relate to her as another adult with a lot of the same responsibilities he always carried. (Wow, that really wandered away from the topic.....and of course is my own take on it....)

[hells_half_acre]

Yes, I agree completely with everything you say here.