One Two more question about yesterday's interview...
Why does she think Uncle Vernon is that much more despicable dislikable than Voldemort? Or Lucius? Or Bellatrix?
And does anyone remember that in OotP, when Dennis Creevey is a second year, he shows up in Hogsmeade for the first DA day anyway? And that the term FLINT comes from the fact that she had Marcus at school a year after he should've left? She has an established track record of messing up ages. It doesn't mean she is TEH EBIL or that she's a terrible writer or a bad person.
But she does it. She's done it in the past, and crowns to galleons she'll do it again. We poke, we snark and we *ignore it* because it doesn't mesh up with the rest of the universe.
I'm wondering, here, how many people were in the fandom back when we lived through the Wand Order Issue of 2000? It might look now like we are making a big deal of the fact that the maths make no sense, but belive me, this is NOTHING compared to what happened when we read GoF and James and Lily didn't come out of the wand in the expected order.
Who died first? James or Lily?
According to Book 1, Ch. 17, Voldemort tells Harry that he killed James first,
then Lily (who was protecting Harry). Also in Book IV, JKR restates in that
Voldemort killed James and then Lily, which goes against the idea that she made
an error in the graveyard scene. Elsewhere in Book IV, however, during the
Priore Incantatum, which makes spells come out of a wand backwards, James’
‘shadow” may have come out before Lily’s; if it did, then she was cursed first,
and he was cursed second. However, there has been speculation that the “shadow”
that Harry thought was James was either Voldemort himself, or a version of
Harry, as the result of the rebounded Avada Kevadra curse. Discussion on the
list has developed various theories of how James and Lily were killed. (1)
Voldemort arrived with the intent to kill Harry, encounters James in a front
room and brushes past him, intent on his target. James is unable to deflect him
or hold him off, but Voldemort does not curse him at this point. Lily is trying
to shield Harry and won't get out of the way, so, Voldemort kills her. Then,
James steps in & tries to shield his son, and Voldemort disposes of him too.
However, this theory does not explain why Lily’s death, rather than the deaths
of both parents, gave Harry the protection Dembledore spoke about in Book 1, or
how the house was destroyed, which is not a common occurance in Avada Kedavra
curses, as Voldemort would not have had the strength to do this after being hit
by the rebounded curse. (2) Voldemort came to the Potters’ house, killed James,
demanded that Lily step aside so he could kill Harry, then killed Lily when she
refused, then tried to kill Harry, and the curse then rebounded; the order in
which his parents came out of the wand was somehow controlled by Harry himself.
(3) James may have been killed by a curse which he deflected, but which
rebounded against the house, causing something to fall on him which he could not
prevent. (4) James somehow wasn’t killed by Voldemort, but after Lily was
killed, and Voldemort destroyed, a Death Eater on the scene (possibly Wormtail
or Snape) killed James with Voldemort’s wand. (5) Voldemort was after Harry, not
James, so James gave Harry a polyjuice potion so he looked like James and then
James drank one himself to look like Harry, so Harry would be protected since
Voldy wasn't after James. For more discussion, see Message 4232, 4241, 4267,
4270, N2871, N1530, N1767, N1825 or the Mysteries FAQ.
When the book was "corrected" pennylin posted to HPfGU:
I too would have preferred if she'd just come up with a
creative explanation or plot device in a later book for why it worked
the way it did. After all, our group came up with several plausible
reasons why James might have come out first! This, in my mind, would be
preferable to having such a big "goof-up" in over 3.8 million US copies
alone. And, the fix just seems lame to me; the scene doesn't read right
at all.
Sounds vaguely similar to some of the chatter of the past few days, in earnestness if not in actual topic, doesn't it?
Pointing out errors in things she says doesn't mean that said error-pointer should leave the fandom (as I saw someone suggest yesterday) and it doesn't mean that we have no respect at all for JKR's writing or her universe or her creativity or anything. It's just a *thing* and perhaps it's only a little thing, but it's a day's diversion and amusement and isn't that what fandom is for?
To be honest, I'd rather be reading everyone's takes on the interview, even where there are debates about the meaning of certain of her answers, than read yet again that people have gone to battlestations.
And does anyone remember that in OotP, when Dennis Creevey is a second year, he shows up in Hogsmeade for the first DA day anyway? And that the term FLINT comes from the fact that she had Marcus at school a year after he should've left? She has an established track record of messing up ages. It doesn't mean she is TEH EBIL or that she's a terrible writer or a bad person.
But she does it. She's done it in the past, and crowns to galleons she'll do it again. We poke, we snark and we *ignore it* because it doesn't mesh up with the rest of the universe.
I'm wondering, here, how many people were in the fandom back when we lived through the Wand Order Issue of 2000? It might look now like we are making a big deal of the fact that the maths make no sense, but belive me, this is NOTHING compared to what happened when we read GoF and James and Lily didn't come out of the wand in the expected order.
Who died first? James or Lily?
According to Book 1, Ch. 17, Voldemort tells Harry that he killed James first,
then Lily (who was protecting Harry). Also in Book IV, JKR restates in that
Voldemort killed James and then Lily, which goes against the idea that she made
an error in the graveyard scene. Elsewhere in Book IV, however, during the
Priore Incantatum, which makes spells come out of a wand backwards, James’
‘shadow” may have come out before Lily’s; if it did, then she was cursed first,
and he was cursed second. However, there has been speculation that the “shadow”
that Harry thought was James was either Voldemort himself, or a version of
Harry, as the result of the rebounded Avada Kevadra curse. Discussion on the
list has developed various theories of how James and Lily were killed. (1)
Voldemort arrived with the intent to kill Harry, encounters James in a front
room and brushes past him, intent on his target. James is unable to deflect him
or hold him off, but Voldemort does not curse him at this point. Lily is trying
to shield Harry and won't get out of the way, so, Voldemort kills her. Then,
James steps in & tries to shield his son, and Voldemort disposes of him too.
However, this theory does not explain why Lily’s death, rather than the deaths
of both parents, gave Harry the protection Dembledore spoke about in Book 1, or
how the house was destroyed, which is not a common occurance in Avada Kedavra
curses, as Voldemort would not have had the strength to do this after being hit
by the rebounded curse. (2) Voldemort came to the Potters’ house, killed James,
demanded that Lily step aside so he could kill Harry, then killed Lily when she
refused, then tried to kill Harry, and the curse then rebounded; the order in
which his parents came out of the wand was somehow controlled by Harry himself.
(3) James may have been killed by a curse which he deflected, but which
rebounded against the house, causing something to fall on him which he could not
prevent. (4) James somehow wasn’t killed by Voldemort, but after Lily was
killed, and Voldemort destroyed, a Death Eater on the scene (possibly Wormtail
or Snape) killed James with Voldemort’s wand. (5) Voldemort was after Harry, not
James, so James gave Harry a polyjuice potion so he looked like James and then
James drank one himself to look like Harry, so Harry would be protected since
Voldy wasn't after James. For more discussion, see Message 4232, 4241, 4267,
4270, N2871, N1530, N1767, N1825 or the Mysteries FAQ.
When the book was "corrected" pennylin posted to HPfGU:
I too would have preferred if she'd just come up with a
creative explanation or plot device in a later book for why it worked
the way it did. After all, our group came up with several plausible
reasons why James might have come out first! This, in my mind, would be
preferable to having such a big "goof-up" in over 3.8 million US copies
alone. And, the fix just seems lame to me; the scene doesn't read right
at all.
Sounds vaguely similar to some of the chatter of the past few days, in earnestness if not in actual topic, doesn't it?
Pointing out errors in things she says doesn't mean that said error-pointer should leave the fandom (as I saw someone suggest yesterday) and it doesn't mean that we have no respect at all for JKR's writing or her universe or her creativity or anything. It's just a *thing* and perhaps it's only a little thing, but it's a day's diversion and amusement and isn't that what fandom is for?
To be honest, I'd rather be reading everyone's takes on the interview, even where there are debates about the meaning of certain of her answers, than read yet again that people have gone to battlestations.