Mental Disorder?

Jun 20, 2006 11:32

It's funny... when the leader of Iran declares that he wants to "wipe Israel off the map" our commie friend argues that it's too great a leap of logic to assume that Ahmadinejad has any animus against Jews short of his directly saying so. But when conservatives or libertarians propose privatizing wasteful government programs like the Post Office or ( Read more... )

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conspiracies capt_oblivion June 28 2006, 03:31:30 UTC
I think you are going too far in dismissing conspiracies out of hand. You seem to reason; some leftist X believes that a small group of people planned some act secretly, this entails a conspiracy, conspiracies are an absurdity that cannot happen, therefore leftist X is wrong. In actuality, conspiracies happen all the time. All you need to have a conspiracy is two or more people planning something, and keeping it from people they do not intend to know. I can think of a few cases of what are obvious conspiracies by people in the government (like the JFK assasination), and I can think of many other cases where I believe conspiracies have occurred but I can't prove it (in such cases either, a. I'm wrong, or b. they were much more successful in keeping it from the American public as was their intention). In the business community, I should note conspiracies are easier to act upon since there is little transparency. That is, unless disaster ensues as a result. For example, do you think the Enron scandle could be called a conspiracy? I think so, it has all the elements.

I know I've singled out a very minor point of this whole thing, but I think it is an important one. My point is, conspiracies do happen. However, not every conspiracy theory is an accurate assessment of actual events. Like everything else, whether we accept them or not should be based upon something besides an outright rejection of all conspiracies as absurd figments of our imagination.

Perhaps I should write something about what the left is really about, from a different perspective.

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Re: conspiracies hebrewhammer777 June 28 2006, 15:45:36 UTC
Conspiracies do happen, sure, but there's a tendency among many to latch onto the most ridiculous of them. For that matter, you call the Kennedy conspiracy "obvious" when it's only obvious to Oliver Stone and other loons. The fact is, Oswald the Communist acted alone. And Bobby Kennedy was killed by a Palestinian terrorist. I know that lefties can't handle these two facts so they invent conspiracy theories...

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Re: conspiracies capt_oblivion June 29 2006, 04:24:14 UTC
In the case of Kennedy it is obvious. The evidence for conspiracy is overwhelming. Without getting into all of the evidence, all I have to point out is the fact that no single person has been able to fire as many shots in as short a period of time with the gun Oswald was supposedly shooting to kill Kennedy. Much of the information that the government knows about the assassination has been withheld for reasons of national security. Bertrand Russell brought up a good point, "If, as we are told, Oswald was the lone assassin, where is the issue of national security?"

There are other assassinations I believe were conducted by the US government and were covered up. To name them, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and a few others. None of these things are absurd, nor are they based upon the films of Oliver Stone. I believe the government has been involved in plenty of assassinations, and I think that the evidence for many of them is plentiful, though for some reason they are always dismissed out of hand as being absurd. Since they are conspiracy theories, they cannot have happened, because conspiracies are absurd.

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Re: conspiracies hebrewhammer777 September 11 2006, 17:53:02 UTC
At the time, I didn't both to respond to this because it's so dumb, but Penn & Teller did it for me anyway. Penn shoots the exact same gun three time in just over three seconds (without the military training Oswald had), proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was possible for Oswald to get off those shots. Idiot.

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Re: conspiracies capt_oblivion June 29 2006, 04:25:03 UTC

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