Okay, so I did a pudd-spam in May, but since then I've gotten new friends and there have been developments made... last time it was just a picspam, but this tim i'm gonna try and include vids and twitter stuff and basically explain it more for the people who dont know what the fuck 'Pudd' is and who the fuck these two guys are!
*fair warning: most of this I've posted individually, but maybe this will help you guys understand some to see it all together*
Disclaimer: I'm not claiming anything I speculate on is real or true. I don't promise all my facts are 100% right. If anything is incorrect here and you can show me what the correction is, I'll gladly make it! This is mostly for the people who keep asking 'who the fuck is that?' when I post something/mention something about 'Harry and Dougie'. Most of this is off people's twitters... sorry!
Okay, the basics that I'm sure you could all find out with google if you, by an ODD chance, don't already know them:
This is Harry Judd:
The 24 (25 in December) year old Drummer of the English pop band Mcfly (surely you've heard of them, even if you've never heard the music).
This is Dougie Poynter:
The 22 (23 in November) year old Bassist of the same band.
Okay, so the whole thing's been a running joke of sorts since the start, they're all jokingly flirty all the time, and often its been about Harry and Dougie. Even when they were teenagers just starting out, there's been 'Pudd'. We'll get to when things seemed to change later on, but for now a few Pudd things of old:
Here's a vid from a while back where, around 7:00 Harry claims he and Dougie are a couple(nothing new then, this is just the random vid I came across):
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Then for a while there was a lull where they didn't really interact as much. Then around 2008 (I think?) is when things started to 'change'... slowly but surely coming off as less playful and joking. In comes the more loving looks/touches and less 'stage-porn!'
Here's an example:
These are from the very beginning of this video:
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Then more cuddles:
*they're totally holding hands, look, lol*
... more handholding:
This one is sorta cute. They were backstage waiting to go on and in the vid, Dougie taps his cheek and Harry kisses it, then Dougie makes a giggly face and pulls away, lmao:
Then there are some random things I can't get the posts for (sorry, I wont blame you if you dont believe me, lol). In Brazil, Harry said he wanted to make love to Dougie (not fuck, fuck is too love-less, isnt it? lmao) and then sometime later they were all writing little messages and Harry's consisted solely of talking about Dougie and ended with "I think I love him"
In Newcastle in November of 2008 Harry said the following:
*horrible video, skip and read the transcript*
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Harry : And lastly to i'd like to say thanks to Dougie, this man has been my rock since the start and when i was once shy made me come out of my shell, man i love you dude.
Dougie: You love me? Well i love you too dude.
Harry: No i like REALLY love you
Dougie: What like you want to propose to me?
Harry: NO! But i man-love you. *nods*
Now, all through this I haven't mentioned the girlfriends, have I?
Okay, the information I can find is sketchy at best, but in 2005, Harry started dating Izzy Johnston, who is this very pretty violinist. Apparantly the broke up in January, but have recently gotten back together (dont trust me, google is shit for this stuff).
Dougie started dating Frankie Sandford, from a group called The Saturdays, in 2008. Earlier this year (march) they split up. They got back together like...May or June(I think, seriously, DONT TRUST ME HERE!).
Now, the dates and all aren't important yet, but they will be. For now you just needed to know about the girlfriends for this one little snippet:
*Dougie talking about his girlfriend*
what's the chemistry like between you?
"we are really happy and understand each other so well. i think she gets me more than anyone else ever has. sorry ~ harry just shouted out "rubbish" but i think so even if he doesn't."
but you'd go to the other guys first if you had any girlie problems right?
"oh yeah! out of all of them, i'd probably go to harry because he's really good at talking."(Bliss- April of 2009)
... posessive Harry is posessive? lol.
In early 2009 these photos were taken... nothing particularly slashy, but just look at Harry and Dougie compared to Tom and Danny:
June 2009 is when we get the first instrumental use of twitter for Harry/Dougie-ness and its sorta depressing (and it really only goes up and down with a more 'sad' note from here on out, really):
The song in question (SUPPOSEDLY) was Truck Stop Blues by New Found Glory. It's not a PERFECT fic at face value, since the song's obvious meaning is a long distance relationship, BUT someone pointed out the lyrics are ambiguous and the chorus isn't all there is to the song:
Verse 1:Oh!
That was such a short goodbye
Never get to say exactly what I want in front of you
I always fall apart at the worst thoughts of crashing down
I know you know this isn't what you signed up for
Verse 2: The mile markers help me count down the next time I'll be around
The only thing I'll rely on is
Falling leaves covering the ground
And a pale version of your complexion
I hope you know I'm worth waiting for
Verse 3:A long road
I've seen it all
Never wanting to look back
This long road
I've spent so much time
I'm glad you're willing to wait for me
... I'm not CLAIMING this is about Dougie at all, but I'm just offering up things that you could considder.
A Dougie tweet from August 2, 2009: "When the girlfriends away Doug turns gay" (source:
here)
Anywho some cute stuff from Sept 12, 2009:
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This one is from Dutch magazine "Hitkrant" but I don't have a link to the article *I think I saw it on mcflyslash once, so maybe the link is there?*:
If there was any song you could have written, which one would it be?
Dougie: "YMCA!"
What's on top of your try-before-you-die list?
Harry: "A date with Dougie."
Which three words would your friends use to describe you?
*notice the mess up here, Harry? "describe you" not "you describe", lmao*
Harry: "Dougie is sweet and different and he has weird habbits."
Dougie: "Blegh."
"What do the other guys know from you, that you wish they didn't know?"
Danny: "Tom plays with his ... No, never mind."
Harry: "I don't think there's a lot."
Danny: "We know everything about each other. We've seen everything as well."
Harry to Dougie: "What do I know from you. How to wind you up?"
Danny: "Dougie loves to hug, doesn't he, Harry?"
Tom: "Harry used to kiss Dougie all the time."
Harry: "I still do that. He loves it."
Danny: "Yeah, Dougie loves to cuddle."
Now, some more twitter stuff:
Dougie tweets from January of this year:
I swear, I am not the gay one......... Ask the drummer x
and then
Worst thing being in a band? Nothing so far; I enjoy 99.9% of it all....so far!......
then he replied to himself with: @dougiemcfly that 0.01% is for Harry moving so far away x
Now, On Friday 5th March 2010, @dougiemcfly said:
I just wanted you all to hear it from me, me and Francesca have broken up. It is way to soon for either of us to be seeing other people, so please don't believe any of the rumours. It was on good terms and she is still one of my best friends x
This opens up a new era, if you will. Things got... slashy, lol, to say the least between Harry and Dougie.
Feb 25th from Harry: "Look what I get to wake up next to....that's right people me and doug are sharing a bed. We spooned last night.
http://yfrog.com/3gk36dj " and the link goes to:
Feb 25th to Harry: "@mcflyharry what is the thing that gives you the strenght to get up everyday?? please, reply me, i'm sending all the day xx 3" to which he replied: "Dougie!"
Feb 26/27(not sure) to Harry: "are you gay?" to which he replied "Yep" and then "With Dougie"
There are tons of little things, but I'll keep it to the more interesting things. In late March, Mcfly got to Atlanta and things got even more... intersting, lol.
Sleeping Dougie round 2:
From Harry: "Episode 3 of Dougie asleep.
http://yfrog.com/6zekkoj " which links to:
To which Dougie replied: "@mcflyharry im putting the pictures i took of you in a french maids out fit up if you do that again"
To which Harry replied: "@dougiemcfly sweet, look hot in that."
... lmao! and of course he tweeted this not many days later:
Dougie then tweeted: "payback" and linkd to this:
I've lost track of dates now *sorry* but then Tom tweeted this:
"The Perfect couple, for all you harry and dougie fans" with a link to this:
End of May (I think?) in Lisbon:
No clue what/when this is from, but it fits well with the ones above (sorry for the tagging, people who tag that excessively are annoying):
Most of you are wondering 'wtf is all this about?' and its simply me trying to give you a feel for the dynamic. It's hard to fit it all in, because so much is subtle tiny things that aren't even worth noting, as it would take ages. But basically you get the feeling that, in the last two years, it's shifted somewhat. The dynamic for Harry seems to have become more 'realistic' and Dougie's still joking about. I mean... its somewhat creepy to look at those photos because that means Harry was watching him sleep, lmao.
And earlier I mentioned the girlfriends. By this time in the tweet-line I BELIEVE Dougie and Frankie were back together again (I'm thinking it was late May/early June they got back together but i'm not sure)... well I'll just say it- nobody likes Frankie. Dougie does and I dont know about his friends, but as far as fans, nobody likes her. And its not necessaril the "she's dating Dougie!" thing, most everybody agrees she's suspicious. I wont go and say things about her, because I dont know her, she might be a nice lady... but the fact of it is, nobody REALLY likes her.
But you line things up and there are coincidences, right? Harry and Izzy split in January. Dougie and Frankie split in early March. They go to Atlanta in March and all of this 'suggestive' stuff happens to suggest Harry and Dougie getting closer. They come home and within weeks, Dougie's back with Frankie. Harry's still single.
End of July:
July 24th Harry Tweets: "I need a huggy wugg from duggy wug"
To which Dougie replies: "@mcflyharry with a face like that you gettin nuthin home slice"
To which Harry replies: "@dougiemcfly Sweet, home mice"
... awww is all one can say.
July 31st Harry Tweets: "On the flight, rather exciting, we have Alexandra Burke in seat 8a, the Saturdays at the back of the plane but best of all in in seat 10e.....and guess who's in seat 10d....? " and then adds "That's right it's dowgie!!!!
http://yfrog.com/0y9hyjj" and that links to this:
And he adds: "That's right....Dougie put frankie in economy and bought a seat next to me"
... now this can be seen one of two ways (unless you add 'not at all slashy' and then thats 3, but thats not the point) and either one is really sad. A) Harry's smug because Dougie picked HIM over Frankie. B) Harry's excited because Dougie chose to sit beside him rather than with Frankie. I mean, it's not COMPLETELY impossible its not significant, but notice how he made a point of adding that Dougie chose to sit with him, not his girlfriend... in a way, it could be interpreted as Harry still having hope, which really breaks one's heart sort of.
Then, there was this, which I posted about recently. I won't go into full detail, you can see the post here:
In which Dougie and Tom were holding hands in public and Harry tweeted on it . It was all joking, but still, something worth noting.
Early August:
A quick vid of a radio interview:
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*look at the cuddle around 20 something seconds*
Also-
This is part of a radio interview they did.
What's the worst bit? [In regards to touring]
Harry: Having to hang around with Dougie.
Now, This one starts with 'career highlights'. Listen to Harry's reply around a minute:
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Also, note that the song was picked by Harry. Listen to it and just... let your mind allow for 'maybe':
"The Way You Make Me Feel"
[Danny:]
I think of yesterday
And all the times I spent being lonely
I watched the young being young
While all the singers sung
About the way I felt
The days are here again
When all the lights go down,
What do they show me?
The rules are all the same
It's just a different game
To tell you how I feel
[Danny & Tom:]
Although it seems so rare
I was always there
[Danny & all:]
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way you make me feel
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way you make me feel
[Tom:]
I took a little time
Scripting all the things that I tell you
I'll send them through the mail
And if all goes well
It'd be a day or two
I spent some extra nights
Trying to forget the things that I've shown you
By now the smoke is cleared
And all along I feared
It would turn out this way
Though it might be wrong
My light is always on
[Tom & all:]
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way you make me feel
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way you make me feel
[All:]
Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba
Ba, ba
Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba
Ba, ba
Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba
Ba, ba
Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba
[Tom:]
Look at us now
Ask me, how did this get so
I'll tell you how
Drag my shoes on the ground
But I'm taking em' all (taking em' all)
And I'm ready to walk, yeah
[All:]
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way you make me feel
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way
Ooh, ooh
I can't stop digging the way you make me feel, yeah
I can't stop digging the way you make me feel
Now, the point of this isn't me claiming this is all true, it's not me trying to act like I'm more observant than others... this is proven wrong by the amount of non-slashers who think Harry is in love with Dougie. The purpose of this is to try and somewhat explain to the ones who go 'who the hell are they?' what we're going on about.
If you want my honest opinion, and the opinions of at least a few others, this is one of the few times I genuinely think it's realistic. And it isnt a good thing. I honestly don't WANT to be right this time, because the way I see it, it's like this: Harry is in love with Dougie, could've been for years, and Dougie doesn't return his feelings. Or if he does, he doesn't want to face them or risk their friendship or whatever. And its terrible! I don't think I accurately can represent here the way Harry looks at Dougie like he's something important, or the way that I honestly bet Harry would go to the ends of the earth for him, and then Dougie just turns him away. I don't WANT to be right, because if we're all right in our assumption that this is the case, that poor dude is suffering a world of pain.
We (my friends and I) have our suspicions that SOMETHING happened in Atlanta to make Harry think he had a chance. Maybe its all coincidence, we will never know, but look at the facts:
-Harry and Izzy split in January
-Dougie and Frankie split in March
-They go to Atlanta and all of this stuff happens with twitter-flirting and watching Dougie sleep (creepy) and other small things I've overlooked here
-They go home and Dougie and Frankie almost immediately make up
-Dougie stops interracting as much with Harry's tweets/flirty jokes
-Harry supposedly got back together with Izzy recently
Honestly, I hope getting back with Izzy will help him get over Dougie, if it is real. The epic gay isn't worth watching a ridiculously sexy man going through what we suspect he's been going through.
AGAIN, no, I'm not claiming its fact, but if you allow for the idea that Harry's been in love with Dougie for that long and has suffered through Dougie being taken, then possibly given the idea he had a chance for a short time, only to see it taken away again... its not a fun thing to imagine.
And some people argue its just all jokes and its acting, and it probably is, but we know from that movie they were in that Harry can't act for shit, and the way he looks at Dougie isn't something a shitty actor could replicate. I HOPE its all just jokes and laughs we read too much on, but the fact of the matter is, not many people can ignore it anymore.
Anyways, that's all I've got for you tonight. If you see anything wrong or that I should add to it, go ahead and tell me! And comment if you understand what the hell I've been on and on about now if you didn't get it before, lmao.
I'll finish it out with a few photos of them. No order, some old, some newer.