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Chapter 29 -- The Phoenix Lament

Jul 06, 2006 12:03

In which Fleur shows class, Tonks makes a scene, Harry is stupid, selfish and insensitive, and we are told repeatedly that Gandalf Rasputin Dumbledore is DEAD.

( Also, there is an abundance of swooning, continuity is deader than James and Lily, and I quote Monty Python. )

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pepperjackcandy July 6 2006, 20:09:09 UTC

I think that the weakness of the Remus/Tonks is the Harry-centric viewpoint. I mean, this is a guy who's so dense he apparently has to be slapped upside the head with the identity of the love of his life.

He's totally not going to notice that Tonks is pining. And he'd never do the math on who she's pining for.

And I read Remus's response as "Stupid girl's making a mistake fixating on me. It's my job to protect her from herself by pushing her away." Which could be disinterest, but it could also be "noble self-sacrifice" or whatever.

gehayi July 6 2006, 20:38:10 UTC

I think that the weakness of the Remus/Tonks is the Harry-centric viewpoint. I mean, this is a guy who's so dense he apparently has to be slapped upside the head with the identity of the love of his life.

The problem is that JKR doesn't have to tell it solely from Harry's viewpoint. The first chapter is from the viewpoint of the Muggle Prime Minister, and the second is omniscient narrator. So she could have told one chapter from Remus's viewpoint, and one from Tonks's, and one from Snape's, and so on. And she could have then built backstory more easily, without having to worry about Harry the Oblivious. It would have made a better book, too.

redcoast July 6 2006, 21:01:03 UTC

I disagree. She's always stuck to Harry's point of view now, and the only time she breaks from it, she keeps to a strictly limited point-of-view. The only other character whose heads she's gotten into for POV are Frank Bryce and ... Vernon Dursley. Weird. But think about it: both are Muggles who know little about the story. Anyway, I think if she picks a pattern she should stick to it.

As for Remus/Nymphadora ... I just don't like it. Now, if the love reveal had been Remus sobbing over Tonks's dead body? Awesome. Like I said before, I don't want him to be happy unless he earns it.

pepperjackcandy July 6 2006, 21:32:21 UTC

Like I said before, I don't want him to be happy unless he earns it.

I think I must've missed the other times you've said this, so may I ask why.

redcoast July 6 2006, 21:36:10 UTC

I tried to explain it in my Ch. 5 spork. Link.

pepperjackcandy July 7 2006, 12:19:11 UTC

Ah. I remember that now. Thanks!

pepperjackcandy July 6 2006, 21:31:17 UTC

See? I feel exactly the opposite. I think that no information was given in those two chapters that Harry couldn't've found out the normal, boring way he always manages to find out all of the pertinent information.

It stretches credulity, yes, but it's the pattern she's set up, except as redcoast said below, the chapters from Vernon's and Bryce's PsOV, and so she should stick with it.

JMHO.

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