Wow, what happens when you take two decades off

[hazebrouck]

My obsession with polygamy, the Mormon Church in all its forms, and it's relatives in Christian Patriarchy have led me, ultimately to questions about feminism. And I think that is very relevant with all the furor about women in America resulting from the Palin tag for VP

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[alyclepal]

In college I was a history major (well, music then history then art) and am 2 history classes from graduation. I took the woman's study track extensively. Every time the discussion turned to women choosing to stay and home and be mothers or work in the home or often even marriage the vemon and vitriol that dropped out of my peers' mouths was enough to literally make me sick to my stomach. I am afraid I'm rarely one to stay quiet and by the time I left college it was with an understanding from my peers and my female professors that a women who didn't devote herself to her own career above all else was a pathetic idiot not worthy of equal rights or consideration or to be thought of having a brain. If I had pursued their ideas of what was "right" for all women I would still be a miserable wreck. Somewhere in the fight to gain equal footing I think feminism went wrong and starting devaluing anything that was considered "women's work". Gotta say that left a bad taste in my mouth for what was considered mainstream feminism at a

[hazebrouck]

Well, I'm sad to hear that there are feminists who talk such trash. I think that women who stay at home have to be smart about protecting their futures...develop a credit reference, keep mind active, think about possible future plans. But that's more common sense healthy strategies than thinking that you should not have the choice to work at home

[alyclepal]

That's exactly where I mean that the servant relationship is misunderstood and being taught incorrectly by fundentmentalists. It's not about having a servant. It's about showing love for your spouse, child, whathaveyou through doing things for them as a way to express your love and take care of the family. It works for either sex, any age. I really believe the terminology provokes a kneejerk reaction these days and that something appropiate to re explain the concept simply hasn't found mainstream use. The man in a marriage relationship serves the needs of the woman just as much as the woman serves the needs of the man. It's another way to explain partnership and love but is often coming out expressed incorrectly in domination and bossiness. Honestly, I am becoming aware that many men are dickheads but only thru my sca experience. That type of man is simply not the type of man I've ever had in my family. Perhaps because we have been bestfriends since he was 17 and I was 18 I simply don't have the reference that you're talking

[hazebrouck]

This is very cool and I agree with most of it.

[alyclepal]

I'm glad I made sense:>:>:>. I'm having the worst time keeping a train of thought today while weaving.

[alyclepal]

I'm not trying to be dense here but I don't understand where the low amount of personal choice is coming from?

[hazebrouck]

Maybe I should link you with some of the pages I've been researching. I think we are talking apples and oranges.

[alyclepal]

We probably are. I think our references are just from very different places and I'm not sure I'm grokking what it is you're researching. Ironically I think we are doing the same things in our lives right now in terms of being home, being artists, nurturing others, researching our interests, etc----but we maybe arrive at the same place/similiar place thru vastly different roads and thought processes.

[hazebrouck]

Yup, I think you are right. Same place, different roads. It's a good place. I like it. 8^). But those other experiences made me who I am now.

[alyclepal]

Ditto:>

Btw, have you read Dyeing with Mushrooms? Someone just loaned it to me!

[hazebrouck]

No. I've read about dying with lichens, but not mushrooms. How is it?

[alyclepal]

It's an old book but informative. I organized it yesterday so of course right now I can't lay hands on it. I found a northern European felting site that shows pics of their wool dyed with mushrooms and lichens. Seems the hard part would be actually getting into someone's woods and finding either.

[hazebrouck]

Yeah, and recognizing what you are looking at. It can also be a lot of boring work to gather lichens. Scraping trees and rocks with a knife.

[alyclepal]

The folks at the farm have said I can to there an collect lichen off trees or even small trees for my alachigq project so that just might be worth trying soon:>

Did you know that "simple" and "easy" don't necessarily mean fast or quick? The more I work on this loom project the more I am amazed that folks ever began wearing clothes!