A very brief(ish) chat about Doctor Who, that is several years late and says nothing about any of the things I actually care about or episodes I am actually interested in but which I want to say anyway
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haha THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I TANGENT. oops. nah, I've seen all of Nine and Ten, this just isn't about any of the episodes/plots I actually give a fuck about. it's more about an explanation of my issues with Steven Moffat, and the way his way of seeing the Doctor does not mesh with mine sometimes, and why I've been resistant to watching any Eleven.
I actually... deeply adore Rose/Ten! a lot! I love that Ten and Martha is basically a season of him being like MAN I WISH ROSE WAS HERE :( and being an oblivious asshole (again, I have no problems with him being an asshole generally speaking) and not really noticing Martha in the slightest. and I love love LOVE that Ten and Donna are about being BFFs and making each other better and being completely, perfectly, wonderfully platonic and yet so adoring and dorky and just kind of... having fun together, because he needed that, and he needed someone to be his walking (loudmouthed) conscious, too.
Donna's ending breaks my heart, because she was so perfect and she's IMPORTANT and SPECIAL and she doesn't even know it and that's insanely sad. but I still love Journey's End (oh, the hysterical sobbing) because I'm a sappy romantic moron and I love the Other Doctor and Rose and their ending, which is actually a beginning, and which is so full of beautiful (potentially hilarious?) possibilities that I very badly want to write about (one of these days, when my ability to fic comes back to me, and also my free time).
and most especially, I love End of Time. I cannot even... this will be an insanely long(er) comment if I go into all of my many reasons for loving End of Time but I love it SO GODDAMN MUCH. but in an insanely roundabout way, here's the bit of my reason that's actually relevant to the discussion:
When we meet Nine, he's dark and angsty and cranky as hell and he just destroyed his entire civilization, or trapped it, whatever, orphaned himself anyway, and he needs some light and good in his life. and he gets Rose, which is the most perfect possible answer, because Earth is his real home anyway and it's certainly his adopted on with Gallifrey gone, and she's such a wonderful embodiment of what it is to be human and a little bit, y'know, silly and 19 but mostly so excited to get out there and do shit just because it's THERE and... w/e that is the rant about why I love Rose Tyler, which is separate, but anyway, so then she absorbs the heart of the TARDIS (aka his other girlfriend) and they just want to keep him SAFE which is BEAUTIFUL and the result of it is that they fix him a little bit more, even though it involves breaking him, and then we get Ten. who's, y'know, a little bit younger and a little bit foxy and picked up Rose's accent and was basically just born to be her boyfriend- but he can't be, because he's not human and can't ever be. which is sad, and which is what a hell of a lot of the second series is actually about: all the reasons that they are never going to work, and how much they love each other anyway, and how badly that sucks.
and then he loses her, and it's awful, because now he's lost his PLANET and his PEOPLE and also his ROSE and those are pretty good reasons to be massively emo pretty much forever. and then there's Journey's End, and he loses even more things (goodbye loudmouthed conscience, goodbye human happy endings and holding hands on the beach) and then the specials are, in a way, about the way that he's spiraling without that loudmouth conscience or that hand to hold, and all of it really has always been about the way Nine started out, and the shit he had just done and the fact that he had to live with it, on his own, forever.
EXCEPT. Then there's End of Time. and there's the reality check of exactly what he did, and why, and the reminder/realization that while he can mourn for what his people became and he can grieve for what he had to do? it needed doing, and he would damn well do it again, and he doesn't need to carry the guilt and personal responsibility of ending his people in the way that he has been for the past four seasons, because his people as he knew and loved them were gone way before he trapped them in time, and that wasn't his fault, it was their own. and that fixes him a little more, and he dies again, and he says his goodbyes and it is heartbreaking as fuck but it means that when he's born again he gets to be even more fixed, because he can let go of that guilt.
I kind of love that Eleven's even younger than Ten, though I know that wasn't the original intent with casting. but for me, it's perfect, because from Nine to Ten to Eleven, the Doctor's able to get so much younger mentally because of the way the weight's slowly lifted off of him. Ten had angst, but I always thought it was pretty deserved; his life is tragic as fuck. but Eleven's got way less guilt, and it means he gets to run around all ridiculous and twenty-something with ridiculous tiny baby-faced companions of adorable. (and River Song, but fml I'm not even stepping in that direction okay or I will never stop.)
ugh this is so full of tangents and ramble because I could talk about this forever, but THE POINT IS (I do have a point, and I actually remember it!) that I actually really love how all of RTD's run of New Who plays together. it's got heartbreak, like a hell of a lot of it, like I could cry at random sometimes just thinking about certain moments, but it's so beautiful, too. it tells a fantastic story. and for me the extra ending of that story is Ten Two, the Other Doctor, and the fact that he earned the HELL out of his happily ever after because he is still the same man, born again like Eleven and accepting the shit he has to do sometimes in the same way that Ten had to go through in End of Time.
OH MY GOD I COULD TALK ABOUT THIS FOR TEN THOUSAND YEARS
I HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEING ABLE TO EDIT THIS INTO COHERENCE SO YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM JUST GOING TO STOP NOW.
I'm thrilled by the concept of Eleven, is sort of my point, and I love the way he is the logical conclusion to the progression of Nine and Ten and their drama and angst and growth and healing. but- back to the point of the post, GOD REMEMBER HOW THERE WAS A POST ABOUT SOME WHOLE OTHER THING? jesus I am verbose- I'm just hesitant about Steven Moffat at the reins. I trust him maybe 40%? if Mark Gatiss is around to help out I will maybe trust him 60, possibly as high as 75%. so I guess we'll see. I'm looking forward to finding out, anyway, because I do remember how basically the entire internet was like MATT WHO? I WILL NEVER LIKE HIM and then as soon as he actually came on the scene everyone immediately flipped to HOLY SHIT BEST, HE IS MY DOCTOR, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS TENNANT PERSON WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT so I guess he must be pretty good. it'll be fun to find out. maybe I'll post some more about it.
hahahaha total lie, no I won't because if I do it will be a mess like this and I will never stop. oops!
a;sldkja;slfjgf ;HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS POST IS ACTUALLY TOO LONG TO BE A SINGLE COMMENT. FML. SHUT THE FUCK UP, JULIE, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS. oh well, see above re: inability to self-edit at this point, so you get the whole damn mess. yay? sorry? one of those. or both. idk.
I actually... deeply adore Rose/Ten! a lot! I love that Ten and Martha is basically a season of him being like MAN I WISH ROSE WAS HERE :( and being an oblivious asshole (again, I have no problems with him being an asshole generally speaking) and not really noticing Martha in the slightest. and I love love LOVE that Ten and Donna are about being BFFs and making each other better and being completely, perfectly, wonderfully platonic and yet so adoring and dorky and just kind of... having fun together, because he needed that, and he needed someone to be his walking (loudmouthed) conscious, too.
Donna's ending breaks my heart, because she was so perfect and she's IMPORTANT and SPECIAL and she doesn't even know it and that's insanely sad. but I still love Journey's End (oh, the hysterical sobbing) because I'm a sappy romantic moron and I love the Other Doctor and Rose and their ending, which is actually a beginning, and which is so full of beautiful (potentially hilarious?) possibilities that I very badly want to write about (one of these days, when my ability to fic comes back to me, and also my free time).
and most especially, I love End of Time. I cannot even... this will be an insanely long(er) comment if I go into all of my many reasons for loving End of Time but I love it SO GODDAMN MUCH. but in an insanely roundabout way, here's the bit of my reason that's actually relevant to the discussion:
When we meet Nine, he's dark and angsty and cranky as hell and he just destroyed his entire civilization, or trapped it, whatever, orphaned himself anyway, and he needs some light and good in his life. and he gets Rose, which is the most perfect possible answer, because Earth is his real home anyway and it's certainly his adopted on with Gallifrey gone, and she's such a wonderful embodiment of what it is to be human and a little bit, y'know, silly and 19 but mostly so excited to get out there and do shit just because it's THERE and... w/e that is the rant about why I love Rose Tyler, which is separate, but anyway, so then she absorbs the heart of the TARDIS (aka his other girlfriend) and they just want to keep him SAFE which is BEAUTIFUL and the result of it is that they fix him a little bit more, even though it involves breaking him, and then we get Ten. who's, y'know, a little bit younger and a little bit foxy and picked up Rose's accent and was basically just born to be her boyfriend- but he can't be, because he's not human and can't ever be. which is sad, and which is what a hell of a lot of the second series is actually about: all the reasons that they are never going to work, and how much they love each other anyway, and how badly that sucks.
and then he loses her, and it's awful, because now he's lost his PLANET and his PEOPLE and also his ROSE and those are pretty good reasons to be massively emo pretty much forever. and then there's Journey's End, and he loses even more things (goodbye loudmouthed conscience, goodbye human happy endings and holding hands on the beach) and then the specials are, in a way, about the way that he's spiraling without that loudmouth conscience or that hand to hold, and all of it really has always been about the way Nine started out, and the shit he had just done and the fact that he had to live with it, on his own, forever.
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I kind of love that Eleven's even younger than Ten, though I know that wasn't the original intent with casting. but for me, it's perfect, because from Nine to Ten to Eleven, the Doctor's able to get so much younger mentally because of the way the weight's slowly lifted off of him. Ten had angst, but I always thought it was pretty deserved; his life is tragic as fuck. but Eleven's got way less guilt, and it means he gets to run around all ridiculous and twenty-something with ridiculous tiny baby-faced companions of adorable. (and River Song, but fml I'm not even stepping in that direction okay or I will never stop.)
ugh this is so full of tangents and ramble because I could talk about this forever, but THE POINT IS (I do have a point, and I actually remember it!) that I actually really love how all of RTD's run of New Who plays together. it's got heartbreak, like a hell of a lot of it, like I could cry at random sometimes just thinking about certain moments, but it's so beautiful, too. it tells a fantastic story. and for me the extra ending of that story is Ten Two, the Other Doctor, and the fact that he earned the HELL out of his happily ever after because he is still the same man, born again like Eleven and accepting the shit he has to do sometimes in the same way that Ten had to go through in End of Time.
OH MY GOD I COULD TALK ABOUT THIS FOR TEN THOUSAND YEARS
I HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEING ABLE TO EDIT THIS INTO COHERENCE SO YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM JUST GOING TO STOP NOW.
I'm thrilled by the concept of Eleven, is sort of my point, and I love the way he is the logical conclusion to the progression of Nine and Ten and their drama and angst and growth and healing. but- back to the point of the post, GOD REMEMBER HOW THERE WAS A POST ABOUT SOME WHOLE OTHER THING? jesus I am verbose- I'm just hesitant about Steven Moffat at the reins. I trust him maybe 40%? if Mark Gatiss is around to help out I will maybe trust him 60, possibly as high as 75%. so I guess we'll see. I'm looking forward to finding out, anyway, because I do remember how basically the entire internet was like MATT WHO? I WILL NEVER LIKE HIM and then as soon as he actually came on the scene everyone immediately flipped to HOLY SHIT BEST, HE IS MY DOCTOR, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS TENNANT PERSON WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT so I guess he must be pretty good. it'll be fun to find out. maybe I'll post some more about it.
hahahaha total lie, no I won't because if I do it will be a mess like this and I will never stop. oops!
a;sldkja;slfjgf ;HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS POST IS ACTUALLY TOO LONG TO BE A SINGLE COMMENT. FML. SHUT THE FUCK UP, JULIE, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS. oh well, see above re: inability to self-edit at this point, so you get the whole damn mess. yay? sorry? one of those. or both. idk.
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