Well...you didn't exactly give a very balanced set of sources for the two methods of behavioral correction.
Despite that, though, I believe that CP has no place among reasoning beings. CP is used to discourage behavior in a Pavlovian manner upon creatures with which you cannot reason (e.g. dogs).
I'm not entirely sure how this belief translates into practice (I'm not a parent, nor likely to be soon), especially when it comes to disciplining very small children (e.g. < 3 years of age). If a child is in school, I would make the assumption that they are able to reach a certain threshold of communication and understanding that makes CP no longer a valid form of discipline.
I think there is a correlation between low performance schools, lower economic strata, and the use of violence that is almost undeniable.
Hum...1, I will agree...the sources are not the best, but they get the point across to anyone coming upon this entry that might not have a great idea of the two.
I think that I slightly differ from you in relation to CP. I understand that to most beings <3 years old, BM is the only real viable approach to discipline. On the other hand, I think it can be WAY overdone (and I've seen it often done so) too many times. (My ex step-mom used to run a daycare in the house...excessive BM was utilized by the parents of several of the kids that she kept over the years. I'm not denying that it has its benefits...but I'm sorry, sometimes a little hellraiser needs to be bent over the lap of a parent and get their ass busted. Before you jump to conclusions...read on---
Mind you, however, that this should NEVER be done in anger from the parent. The parent should also not resort to CP in every situation...fear does not breed respect. The parent should have a conversation with their child(ren) before any form of BM or CP is issued...if the child
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Just to check and make sure there is understanding, < 3 years of age = less than 3 years of age.
I just think that BM involves higher reasoning functions than you can reasonably expect from a child less than 3 years of age. As soon as they start developing abstract reasoning skills, I say that CP has no place. I don't know what should supplant CP, but I think techniques that rely more upon reason and mutual respect should play a major role at that point.
Yes, we are on the same page bing that <3 = less than three years of age.
I'm not saying that I don't agree that something better shouldn't exist...but what you're telling me is that you thing it is wrong, but you have nothing better with which to replace it, am I correct? So what do you do in the even that BM fails to work....which is does a large percentage of the time? If you're saying that CP involves a certain "pavlovian" undertone to it, doesn't BM do it as well to a point? It's still involving Classical Conditioning, right? Your actions determine the praise...and what kind of person is the child (that never learns his lesson) going to turn out to become?
I'm saying treat them as human, and be civilized yourself in interacting towards them.
Think about training animals if nothing else. That is done with a reward system for rewarding good behaviors, no? It is not done by beating them up for not doing right. (I often listen to "Calling All Pets" on NPR).
Shouldn't we treat our own human children with at least as much respect and kindness as we treat our animals?\
Sure it's Classical Conditioning. That's how you work with beings that aren't sentient. Once they are sentient then you begin using reasoning more and more.
Despite that, though, I believe that CP has no place among reasoning beings. CP is used to discourage behavior in a Pavlovian manner upon creatures with which you cannot reason (e.g. dogs).
I'm not entirely sure how this belief translates into practice (I'm not a parent, nor likely to be soon), especially when it comes to disciplining very small children (e.g. < 3 years of age). If a child is in school, I would make the assumption that they are able to reach a certain threshold of communication and understanding that makes CP no longer a valid form of discipline.
I think there is a correlation between low performance schools, lower economic strata, and the use of violence that is almost undeniable.
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I think that I slightly differ from you in relation to CP. I understand that to most beings <3 years old, BM is the only real viable approach to discipline. On the other hand, I think it can be WAY overdone (and I've seen it often done so) too many times. (My ex step-mom used to run a daycare in the house...excessive BM was utilized by the parents of several of the kids that she kept over the years. I'm not denying that it has its benefits...but I'm sorry, sometimes a little hellraiser needs to be bent over the lap of a parent and get their ass busted. Before you jump to conclusions...read on---
Mind you, however, that this should NEVER be done in anger from the parent. The parent should also not resort to CP in every situation...fear does not breed respect. The parent should have a conversation with their child(ren) before any form of BM or CP is issued...if the child ( ... )
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I just think that BM involves higher reasoning functions than you can reasonably expect from a child less than 3 years of age. As soon as they start developing abstract reasoning skills, I say that CP has no place. I don't know what should supplant CP, but I think techniques that rely more upon reason and mutual respect should play a major role at that point.
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Treat them as human not as animal.
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I'm not saying that I don't agree that something better shouldn't exist...but what you're telling me is that you thing it is wrong, but you have nothing better with which to replace it, am I correct? So what do you do in the even that BM fails to work....which is does a large percentage of the time? If you're saying that CP involves a certain "pavlovian" undertone to it, doesn't BM do it as well to a point? It's still involving Classical Conditioning, right? Your actions determine the praise...and what kind of person is the child (that never learns his lesson) going to turn out to become?
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Think about training animals if nothing else. That is done with a reward system for rewarding good behaviors, no? It is not done by beating them up for not doing right. (I often listen to "Calling All Pets" on NPR).
Shouldn't we treat our own human children with at least as much respect and kindness as we treat our animals?\
Sure it's Classical Conditioning. That's how you work with beings that aren't sentient. Once they are sentient then you begin using reasoning more and more.
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