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asgaja October 23 2010, 16:34:18 UTC
Oh good.... people are still bashing her?

See, this is one of the reasons I got out of the fandom. A female character does something wrong and death and decay should rain down on them, a male character does something wrong and they're just misunderstood or it is just a personal flaw that makes them more adorable. Thanks but no thanks, I think I'll stay over in my corner.

Also completely OT; Kisame so needs more love. <3

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kankurette October 23 2010, 16:38:59 UTC
Yep. Due to recent events in the manga, apparently Sakura is now the Antichrist. There's more than a hint of pairing crap about it (people hoping Naruto will dump the pink bitch for Hinata or whoever), but generally it's because she's, well, Sakura, and she can't say a damn thing without the fanpoodles picking her up on it. She's getting bashed even when she's not in the bloody manga. Add to this the weekly 'Kishi is a sexist / fails at writing women' thread where the usual misogynist dickwads crawl out of the woodwork, and it makes me wonder why I'm still involved with the fandom. The hatred of women is just...wow. I don't know if Bleach fans are as bad, although judging by the Orihime bashing that goes on, it's possible.

Kisame is ace. His fight with Gai was what they call on TV Tropes a 'Crowning Moment of Awesome'.

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asgaja October 23 2010, 16:57:57 UTC
Doh, just... just doh. I really wish I had something more intelligent to say but when it comes to this and to Sakura specifically I'm just at the worlds end. Enough with the damn hate people. She's not going anywhere, just shut your pie hole and read something else if she offends you so damn much.

I pulled out of fandom, wow, um, too long ago and kinda dropped the series as a whole after the whole "Um, lol, no they didn't all die! Just kidding!" Backbone man, grow one. Please.

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kankurette October 23 2010, 17:09:58 UTC
I know people are itching for Kishimoto to kill her, but I doubt he will. He seems to have an aversion to killing the teens off (Sound kids excepted).

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morrienymph October 23 2010, 16:49:22 UTC
Same here. The Naruto fandom is disgracefully misogynistic. And it doesn't help that Kishimoto can't write a decent female lead worth a damn.

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asgaja October 23 2010, 16:55:15 UTC
Which is really, really sad because his brother writes really good female characters. I keep hoping (perhaps slightly foolishly and in vain) that he'll learn from his bro.

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inkedfeathers October 23 2010, 17:08:06 UTC
I don't know, Sakura is the most realistic female I've ever seen in anime or manga.

She honestly feels very down-to-earth, someone I could honestly believe is a real person. She's got her strengths and weaknesses, a fun sense of humor, she gets mad, she cries, she... likes yaoi. xDDD

I don't know. Tsunade, also, feels VERY real to me.

It's like this: they feel real and they come across clearly as very strong, but also weak, very HUMAN women... and would make for great plot if only they were handled by a writer who knew how to get into a girl's head.

It's like some clumsy-with-the-opposite-sex guy writing about an awesome girl who he cannot understand, so she ends up written in a shallow manner, which is sad, because you can get glimpses of her true personality.

TL;DR: I agree, sort of.

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kankurette October 23 2010, 17:11:44 UTC
That's one reason why I like Sakura; because she has flaws. She, along with Jiraiya and Kakashi, is one of the most screwed-up and human characters in the manga; she acknowledges her flaws, and she has many, but she can be likeable too. She's kind and brave and intelligent and actually cares a lot about Naruto, despite what people think. And yes, in a better writer's hands, she'd be awesome. I think Kishi pretty much admitted at least once that he doesn't know what makes women tick.

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inkedfeathers October 23 2010, 17:13:41 UTC
Agreed. ♥

... not that we needed to hear it from him, but d'aww, at least he admitted to it. x3;;

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