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jeffreyatw September 9 2006, 17:00:59 UTC
How are you saying it's practical? This has many signs of a "fake science" site, where they say their theory is being disputed and "the man" is stopping it and production is halted due to people other than themselves. If it was practical, it would be widely distributed and not still under testing.

Besides, by the time hydrogen fuel cells hit the mainstream (if ever), hybrid cars will be so efficient that they will have better miles to the gallon than fuel cells ever can. And it's still sort of a temporary solution. Furthermore, implementation and the fuel itself look as if they will be very expensive - even with a machine that causes nuclear reactions to make hydrogen fuel.

Hate to resort to documentaries to further push my point, but you should definitely watch "Who Killed the Electric Car" to see what sort of business the hydrogen economy is.

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hastis_epigeios September 9 2006, 18:04:09 UTC
United Nuclear is a very large distributor of chemicals and materials for chemistry and pyrotechnic hobbyists, as well as quite a few other things.

the CPSC has tried to prevent them from selling all of these chemicals for about 4 months now.
i actually wrote an lj entry about it where i linked to their legal action sitewhen i wrote that entry, i did not know about this hydrogen research they are doing, because it wasn't linked from the legal action page, and i didn't care to look at what research they were doing, as i thought it was just some small-time hobby stuff ( ... )

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hastis_epigeios September 9 2006, 18:07:23 UTC
p.s. their intention right now is to compete for the H-Prize, a 10-50 million dollar prize for transformational technology involving hydrogen, similar to the X-Prize, which was for the spacecraft.

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jeffreyatw September 9 2006, 18:14:29 UTC
48 hours to fill the tank? I was not going to argue this vs. battery-powered cars since it takes 3 hours to recharge an electric car, but damn. 48 hours?! How is that at all feasible?

As for inefficiency in generating power to fuel cars, you should take a look at electric car manufacturers and their plans for generating the energy. One example:

http://www.teslamotors.com

They will promise that whatever amount of power is consumed in recharging the car, Tesla Motors will assure that the same cost is repaid in natural energies such as solar and wind power.

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Why Hydrogen is bad Idea in Cars bounce_lighting September 9 2006, 19:26:19 UTC

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Re: Why Hydrogen is bad Idea in Cars jeffreyatw September 9 2006, 22:19:26 UTC
I'd say this is a series of incidents that don't have much to do with each other and regular cars can be just as deadly, etc. etc...

...but hey, these sorts of things are what change minds, so go ahead.

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Re: Why Hydrogen is bad Idea in Cars bounce_lighting September 9 2006, 22:49:28 UTC
Regular cars don't have a

(Class 2 - Division 2.1, Flammable Gas) (Compressed)
Contained IN
(Class 4 - Division 4.1, Flammable Solid; Division 4.2, Spontaneously Combustible Material; and Division 4.3, Dangerous when wet material)

They have a

(Class 1 - Division 1.3, Flammable Gas) (Uncompressed)

Hydrogen in a gaseous form is well over 200% more explosive than conventional gasoline. In fact. It's well over it, weighing in around 27 TIMES more explosive by volume.

131 mj/6.25 pounds
3566.016 mj/6.25 Pounds

Hydrogen Gas (and the metal halides that contain them) are explosive + Car Crashes = Death.

Fairly self explanatory

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Re: Why Hydrogen is bad Idea in Cars jeffreyatw September 9 2006, 23:07:07 UTC
Oh. Well then. Point proven!

Despite the odd fires in Li-Ion batteries that have been happening recently, wouldn't you say that they are far safer than both fuels?

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