Lol.
God people on ONTD_P are so fucking stupid.
People seriously think Glenn Greenwald is a Ron Paul-worshipping lolbertarian? Sure, a guy who calls for more gubmint regulation on Wall Street, higher taxes on the rich, more penalties for corporations, etc. is totally a lolbertarian just because he actually dares to criticize Obama's policy on Gitmo, wars, drones, assassinations, wiretapping, civil liberties abuses, constitutional law violations, etc.
I mean the most praiseworthy thing Greenwald's said about Ron/Rand Paul have been the same thing that people like Jeremy Scahill and others on the LEFT have said, which is that what passes for the American Left is in a really sad state of affairs when liberals and Democrats are silent on these issues and it's being left to shitty right-wing reactionaries like the fucking PAULS to call out interventionism, civil liberties abuses, drones, etc. and get certain key docs entered into the public record.
But I guess all the smear attacks by partisan Dem- and Obama-apologist hacks tied to The Nation and MSNBC are working, like the ones by Lee Fang who says Greenwald is a CATO Institute lolbertarian simply because he doesn't oppose the Citizens United decision (newsflash, I don't either and I'm a screaming leftist), Katha Pollitt who says Greenwald is the type who would rather praise old racist white men than liberal women and POC, or Melissa Harris-Perry who argued that white progressive Obama critics like Greenwald and Scahill are all just sekrit racists because leftist criticisms of Obama soooo much stronger now than they ever were of Clinton...
...which is a laughably stupid argument to make as Clinton and his BS "Third Way" ethic was the whole reason for liberal disaffectation in the 1990s, and he was the sole reason Nader and the Green Party even had any traction in the late-1990s and early 2000s. Most Green votes in 2000 were from liberals who were DEEPLY critical of Clinton's handling of Iraq sanctions, Serbia, Glass-Steagall, Haiti, DoMA, etc. in the 1990s, and Jill Stein in 2012 got a very small fraction of the vote that Nader got in 2000. And not only that, but the national economy/jobs situation was way better under Clinton than it is now under Obama, so if you were forced to choose a better time to be softer on the president, it would have been more likely to be during the Clinton years than now, but even taking that into account it isn't the case at all.
But don't listen to me, listen to all the MSNBC and Nation pundits because they has the smartitude: yes that's right, Glenn Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill, and all you other nasty ~purists~ on the left who dare to give a shit about brown people (a few of whom are US citizens) being killed in our name just clearly secret lolbertarians just trying to cloak your racist, anti-Obama diatribes in humanitarian language. I mean reaaaally, HDU you big apologist for white supremacy, Obama4Lyfe, etc.
Seriously, the racism charges against people producing actual honest reportage and critique like Greenwald, Scahill, etc. are really despicable considering that much of their advocacy and protests of Obama are done in defense of ACTUAL PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO ARE BEING KILLED by the largest purveyor of white imperialism in the world. The fact that some professional pundits who consider themselves "liberal" are willing to trot out these really disgusting charges and exploit and twist anti-oppression language to prop up a person in power responsible for purveying some of the worst violence at home and abroad against the poor and against POC is just really, really indicative of how low mainstream liberal/progressive thought has become in the US, and how dangerous the sports team mentality behind partisan politics really is.
On a lighter note, you know _P is a far shadow of what it once was when you can post an article about Joe Biden endorsing a "chocolate bullet policy" and there are no salacious and slashy Joebama/Obiden comments or macros posted in response. Because GÜRRRRRRRL.
P.S. Because I clearly need to post it again:
İ cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy as though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I go to civil rights rallies and I put down the old DAR
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad that the commies were thrown out from the AFL-CIO board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negroes as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Ah, the people of old Mississippi should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter, don't they watch Les Crane?
But if you ask me to bus my children I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Yes, I read New Republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea there's no one more red, white, and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I vote for the Democratic Party
They want the UN to be strong
I attend all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for but don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Sure, once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
Ah, but I've grown older and wiser and that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
-- Phil Ochs
People seriously think Glenn Greenwald is a Ron Paul-worshipping lolbertarian? Sure, a guy who calls for more gubmint regulation on Wall Street, higher taxes on the rich, more penalties for corporations, etc. is totally a lolbertarian just because he actually dares to criticize Obama's policy on Gitmo, wars, drones, assassinations, wiretapping, civil liberties abuses, constitutional law violations, etc.
I mean the most praiseworthy thing Greenwald's said about Ron/Rand Paul have been the same thing that people like Jeremy Scahill and others on the LEFT have said, which is that what passes for the American Left is in a really sad state of affairs when liberals and Democrats are silent on these issues and it's being left to shitty right-wing reactionaries like the fucking PAULS to call out interventionism, civil liberties abuses, drones, etc. and get certain key docs entered into the public record.
But I guess all the smear attacks by partisan Dem- and Obama-apologist hacks tied to The Nation and MSNBC are working, like the ones by Lee Fang who says Greenwald is a CATO Institute lolbertarian simply because he doesn't oppose the Citizens United decision (newsflash, I don't either and I'm a screaming leftist), Katha Pollitt who says Greenwald is the type who would rather praise old racist white men than liberal women and POC, or Melissa Harris-Perry who argued that white progressive Obama critics like Greenwald and Scahill are all just sekrit racists because leftist criticisms of Obama soooo much stronger now than they ever were of Clinton...
...which is a laughably stupid argument to make as Clinton and his BS "Third Way" ethic was the whole reason for liberal disaffectation in the 1990s, and he was the sole reason Nader and the Green Party even had any traction in the late-1990s and early 2000s. Most Green votes in 2000 were from liberals who were DEEPLY critical of Clinton's handling of Iraq sanctions, Serbia, Glass-Steagall, Haiti, DoMA, etc. in the 1990s, and Jill Stein in 2012 got a very small fraction of the vote that Nader got in 2000. And not only that, but the national economy/jobs situation was way better under Clinton than it is now under Obama, so if you were forced to choose a better time to be softer on the president, it would have been more likely to be during the Clinton years than now, but even taking that into account it isn't the case at all.
But don't listen to me, listen to all the MSNBC and Nation pundits because they has the smartitude: yes that's right, Glenn Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill, and all you other nasty ~purists~ on the left who dare to give a shit about brown people (a few of whom are US citizens) being killed in our name just clearly secret lolbertarians just trying to cloak your racist, anti-Obama diatribes in humanitarian language. I mean reaaaally, HDU you big apologist for white supremacy, Obama4Lyfe, etc.
Seriously, the racism charges against people producing actual honest reportage and critique like Greenwald, Scahill, etc. are really despicable considering that much of their advocacy and protests of Obama are done in defense of ACTUAL PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO ARE BEING KILLED by the largest purveyor of white imperialism in the world. The fact that some professional pundits who consider themselves "liberal" are willing to trot out these really disgusting charges and exploit and twist anti-oppression language to prop up a person in power responsible for purveying some of the worst violence at home and abroad against the poor and against POC is just really, really indicative of how low mainstream liberal/progressive thought has become in the US, and how dangerous the sports team mentality behind partisan politics really is.
On a lighter note, you know _P is a far shadow of what it once was when you can post an article about Joe Biden endorsing a "chocolate bullet policy" and there are no salacious and slashy Joebama/Obiden comments or macros posted in response. Because GÜRRRRRRRL.
P.S. Because I clearly need to post it again:
İ cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy as though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I go to civil rights rallies and I put down the old DAR
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad that the commies were thrown out from the AFL-CIO board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negroes as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Ah, the people of old Mississippi should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter, don't they watch Les Crane?
But if you ask me to bus my children I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Yes, I read New Republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea there's no one more red, white, and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
I vote for the Democratic Party
They want the UN to be strong
I attend all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for but don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Sure, once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
Ah, but I've grown older and wiser and that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
-- Phil Ochs