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Jun 07, 2009 18:28

i found out my girlfriend doesn't believe in global warming today and that she can't defend/explain her perspective. might be a dealbreaker. her dad's a beekeeper, a third of the world's bee population died in the last year and she actually thinks they'll just come back. yikes.

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handwriting June 8 2009, 02:15:05 UTC
yeah, dude. i can deal with the religion and even the guns in her family but this might, as i said in the post, be a real dealbreaker. i've been queasy over it ever since she told me six hours ago, especially because she refuses to explain her perspective. it's not an argument against it, it's a non-argument. choosing to not believe, or rather to simply ignore the truth when so much evidence is to the contrary. i mean, she had to stay at our house tonight due to a hail storm. it's a week into june!

inconvenient truth, indeed. seems odd that she'd use all seventh generation products and have such a low carbon footprint if she doesn't believe in global warming. seems self-contradictory.

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remotecody June 8 2009, 05:34:35 UTC
Most of the hard scientific evidence does NOT support man made global warming theory. Her gut instinct is based on things she can't explain or maybe doesn't want to at this point.

Even the originator of the theory has abandoned it. Climate on Earth is tied hand in hand to activity on the sun and right now we are in a solar minimum period that coincides exactly with temperature.

As a total outside perspective on this I think you need to examine your position before you throw someone away for having a gut instinct. They used to grow grapes in England and it is way colder now.

A warming cycle could be happening (not this decade) but to take the leap of faith and believe it is man made and take another leap of faith and think that man could reverse it is a huge pill to ask someone to swallow. It is a pill equal in size to asking them to have faith in jesus or god or heaven.

The bee issue is completely separate as is her use of recycled products. Conservation is good on its own. Hail is also a normal June event.

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remotecody June 9 2009, 14:50:09 UTC
Solar variation should heat the upper atmosphere equally? What about the greenhouse effect? We can't have it both ways. The sun is far from predictable. We just launched two stereo satellites to give us images of the far side of the sun in order to attempt to understand it more ( ... )

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just_like_alex June 10 2009, 08:07:04 UTC
Greenhouse gases don't go beyond the troposphere, staying relatively close to the Earth and converting the sun's energy into heat in the same way the glass does in a greenhouse. The air outside the greenhouse doesn't get hotter, just as the the atmosphere above these gases doesn't (and isn't) getting hotter. Increased energy put out by the sun would increase the heat of everything it hits- including the outer layers of the atmosphere ( ... )

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