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dove95 November 9 2007, 22:13:33 UTC
I totally hear you about Dean, and it's getting really old.

I wasn't feeling last night's episode too much, except that I loved seeing Sam's reaction to the creepy lady pawing at him. I kept thinking that she's the one that wanted the hand in the first place and that that was why she seemed dismissive to me, but eh...

Ruby, I like. This Bela chick just annoys the bejesus out of me.

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halfshellvenus November 10 2007, 00:20:04 UTC
I'll like Ruby better if she doesn't keep showing up every week and Sam or Dean don't start sleeping with her (because god knows I fear the "love interest" thing creeping into the show).

This is partly the problem I had with some of S2, actually-- when it starts feeling like an ensemble show, it stops working for me (remember when The Roadhouse was in every episode for awhile, even if it was just a phone call)? For Bela, the time for her to reappear (if at all) would be many, many episodes down the line, so it doesn't feel so contrived. For Ruby, I just don't want her on there every week, but given that she's got a little extra "in-tell" because of her demon nature, her ability to show up where the boys are is more believable.

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deadbeat_nymph November 9 2007, 22:21:06 UTC
That's exactly what I loved about the tux bit, that he was still Dean beneath the clothes, completely ruining the effect, but in a delightful way. Except, however, that they took it too far with the buffoonery ( ... )

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halfshellvenus November 10 2007, 00:26:38 UTC
I even enjoyed the 'angry sex' joke, but I wouldn't want to see them actually get together. A little UST here and there is fine, but please nothing more, Kripke!
Yes-- word. Half of fandom is all "Oh, please-- let's see that!" and the other half is "Not on your life!" I'm in the latter camp.

I did, however, like her few taunting moments re. daddy hugs and damagedness.
Oh now, those lines were priceless. Because we all know neither Dean nor Sam got enough of that, and they ARE damaged-- and to a certain degree, I'd bet most hunters are (and she's probably double-crossed more hunters in her time than Sam and Dean have even met, thus far).

I also like that it was a return to a good old fashioned ghost story.
I did too-- which was why I was hoping to see more of that creepy aspect played up and less the Remington Steele aspect (other people are referring to it as "Alias," but I'm of an older generation and have different reference points).

The way they insist on eroticizing women's deaths vexes me greatly. Could they please have ( ... )

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deadbeat_nymph November 10 2007, 01:48:09 UTC
I never watched Alias, so I'll take you at your word on that. I enjoyed your Remington Steele take, though. :) However, I just leapt directly to Bond. Too far?

Which is why I protest the tux thing a little, because I feel like the women are being pandered to as well.

I don't mind them pandering to the female demographic, and I don't think it's hypocritical, honestly, because the problem is that in mainstream culture, they always pander to male desire. I'm fine with some reversal - we deserve our bit - and they always do it so gently when they do, anyway. I mean, Dean in a tux vs. wet, naked moaning woman being murdered? Yeah.

This whole semi-kink part of sexuality is so totally incomprehensible to me, seriously. But you knew that already! I just don't get it.You know, I've been wanting to write some meta on this for a while now, not just for you, but kind of for you. Not to try to sell it to you, but to explain to those who don't get it what it means to us/what it does for us who do ( ... )

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halfshellvenus November 10 2007, 07:22:53 UTC
However, I just leapt directly to Bond. Too far?
That's the thing-- it's as if they were trying to go for Bond, but it was too cheesy and fell into Remington Steele territory instead. (I loved that show, but it was not self-deluded about being great art).

mean, Dean in a tux vs. wet, naked moaning woman being murdered? Yeah.
Now, how can I argue with these entirely valid points? ;) Especially, though, the balance of where "pandering" falls on television/movies in general.

Hm. Is it squicky for you just to have me discuss this here? I'll run away if so.No, not really. The whole thing is just "meh" to me, or more to the point, pain/humiliation is a HUGE turnoff to me. Not just in a personal sense, but when applied to other people as well. It's disturbing on all kinds of levels (funny that you're as big a creampuff as me, because I think it's my empathetic side that makes that such a huge problem). So it's more that, given who I am, that will never be remotely sexy at all. And there's also the problem I have with power dynamics in ( ... )

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erinrua November 9 2007, 23:28:11 UTC
Hi there!

LOL, I had so much *fun* with last night's episode that I confess my tummy actually tightened when I first saw your post. Hmm, if you don't mind, I'll see if I respond and organize my thoughts. Bear in mind that this is my first attempt to articulate anything about last night's ep, so if it comes out rough, forgive me! :-)

Per the Remington Steele thing ... I actually got a kick out of it. Bela had just sneered at Dean's abilities, so he stowed her with the couch and went off to circumvent who knows how many layers of security to steal the hand, while a gaggle of big, muscle-y off-duty cops stood guard on the exibit. I liked that. A lot. And I thought it spoke far better than any words about the level of his ability. Granted, I can see your point, I'm simply sharing the different feeling I came away with. :-)

Sam with the old gal ... Yeah, it could have been shortened somewhat. But I wasn't distracted by any of it, and it amused me to see Sam for once getting hit on, so I guess I just let it roll off. For the ( ... )

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brigid_tanner November 9 2007, 23:57:37 UTC
You know what you said about the niece and Gert not being close...didn't they say that there was a car wreck and the niece survived but her cousin died? What if the cousin that died was the child of the aunt, Gert? I hadn't even thought about it till it was mentioned here. I'm still for shooting Bela for having the Impala towed.

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erinrua November 10 2007, 00:10:23 UTC
Ah-HA! Yes, that may be what niggled at me. LOL, I need to see an episode twice to really get the details sunk in. Yes, maybe the cousin was Gert's daughter! Erks.

But yes, messing with the Impala is a killin' offense. ;-)
Cheers ~

Erin

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halfshellvenus November 10 2007, 00:36:46 UTC
What if the cousin that died was the child of the aunt, Gert? I hadn't even thought about it till it was mentioned here.

An interesting idea, that would explain a lot. Now, if only the writers had either 1) explained that via the mention of the dead cousin (that it was Gert's child), or 2) had her behave like any normal relative of someone who died.

*Sigh* Sorry to be such a stickler-- it's just that these are all plausible ideas, but the trick is that the writers need to finish the job on them instead of leaving a character half-baked.

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certainthings November 9 2007, 23:29:11 UTC
You know, aside from the incredibly gratuitous T&A for this week (because I always jog in my 100-degree clothing at night).

RIGHT?! UGH. You just know that if it was Law and Order her body would've been found beaten and raped. Fucking hell.

(with the goofy slicked-back hair yet again, no less). -- I HATE when they fuck with his hair like that.

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halfshellvenus November 10 2007, 00:39:38 UTC
RIGHT?! UGH. You just know that if it was Law and Order her body would've been found beaten and raped. Fucking hell.

Yes-- especially with the ear-buds of "I can't hear anyone coming after me here in the dark while I'm out by myself in my T&A clothes." What woman is that dumb, for god's sake?

It's like a double insult-- first the T&A, and then the stupidity. Grrrr....

HATE when they fuck with his hair like that.
I can understand it when they do the gel-- because his hair's kind of floppy, and he's supposed to be "respectable." But on the other hand, it looks really, really bad. And bring back the damn bangs already, because that forehead is NOT a feature you want to emphasize. :(

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ruby_jelly November 10 2007, 01:46:19 UTC
I read a couple of titles of comments about this ep. and was worried about the dumb Dean vibe I was picking up - must say, Bella definitely ran rings around him, in a superior, bitchy way ( ... )

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shamangrrl November 10 2007, 03:23:58 UTC
They definitely set up about the tight security, professional guards, etc. and while the cinematography was evocative, establishing him as a confident, powerful player in this cat-burgular domain, I kept expecting him to blow it.

This line saddens me so much. Since when do we *ever* expect Dean to blow it? Since when do we expect *Dean* to fail? I can't believe that this is the impression of Dean we're being given this season. But it is, isn't it?

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halfshellvenus November 10 2007, 07:40:42 UTC
Since when do we expect *Dean* to fail? I can't believe that this is the impression of Dean we're being given this season. But it is, isn't it?
It sure feels that way to me, and it's so frustrating. I don't trust the show right now not to screw up the characters. :(

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halfshellvenus November 10 2007, 07:38:15 UTC
and it jumped back at me during "two ghost brothers meet" water special effect moment...I don't reckon the editing is as tight as it could / used to be. I realise they show things from a couple angles, for greater effect, but what's going on?
I had the same thought as you during that moment, which was that the CGI portion of the brothers merging SFX was just far too slow-- it really dragged on, and I kept wondering, "What, is there more? Is something going to blow up? Because that wasn't worth 60 seconds of screen time."

Sam's standing up to Dean, and showing so much more of their changing relationship,as he assumes the mantle of manhood, and moves past his grieving. And he didn't tell him about meet with CR demon; more proof. Loving this aspect.Oh me too, very much. This is just in the last two episodes-- the season started with Dean dumping him off in places again and again and running off, which bugged me on a number of levels. When they're not together, the show's chemistry tends to fall off, and moreover, ditching Sam to do the ( ... )

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