It's not a contest!

Nov 15, 2015 10:35

It's driving me nuts that people are saying "why only care about France when brown places have explosions too!"  I'd ask, "why care about terrorism when so many children drown?"  Or "why care about gun violence when earthquakes happen?"  Basically, it's NOT A CONTEST ( Read more... )

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ford_prefect42 November 15 2015, 18:30:27 UTC
Oh, yes, I remember quite clearly how the Nazis surrendered to love ( ... )

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gwendally November 15 2015, 19:36:47 UTC
You said this entire post without ever using the word Wahhabite. Basically, you don't know how much you don't know. Hint: Abdullah's got a Ph. D in international relations and is sovereign in a moderate moslem country. You appear to get your information from Fox News.

Get more informed before you advocate for war. I beg you.

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ford_prefect42 November 15 2015, 19:50:14 UTC
Lol. I could well say (roughly) the same of you, in regards to being ill informed. For instance, you wrote your entire post without using the word Salafist, and seem to get all your information from msnbc, and should really inform yourself on the nature of the enemy before you advocate inviting tens of thousands of them into your backyard ( ... )

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elenbarathi November 15 2015, 22:14:23 UTC
I agree with all your points except the last one: we're not going to lose to the Muslims. The religious fanatics in our own government would nuke the whole biosphere to extinction before they let that happen.

Islam and Christianity have been at war since the Crusades. The Middle East has been a fragmented mess since the League of Nations chopped up the Ottoman Empire after WWI. The establishment of the State of Israel after the Post-WWII refugee crisis just put the icing on the cake.

Bottom line: every time Europeans or Americans have meddled in the Middle East for the past millennium, we've stirred up trouble for all concerned. I say we ought to get out of the entire region and stay out: stop sending troops, stop selling weapons, stop buying oil, stop trying to dictate their policies.

I'm very sorry for the Islamic refugees, but I don't see why they're our problem, or Europe's either, and I do think they're a significant security risk. It's politically-incorrect to refer to 'traditional' cultures as barbaric these days, regardless ( ... )

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ford_prefect42 November 16 2015, 01:58:36 UTC
Interesting ( ... )

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elenbarathi November 16 2015, 06:55:46 UTC
"What I *do* see happening is things like this"

??? I'm not seeing what connection the Savile Sex Abuse Scandal has with Islam. None of the accused are Muslims; on the contrary, it appears that all of them are upper-class Brits. What does that have to do with enclaves of immigrant populations?

Yes, true; Christianity and Islam have been at war since long before the Battle of Tours. Most people who aren't medievalists have never heard of the Battle of Tours, but most have heard of the Crusades. In point of fact, Christianity and Islam have been at war since Islam arose, and Islam has been at war with Islam since Mohammad died. (Of course, Christianity has also been at war with Christianity since the time of Paul, if not before.)

IMHO the world would be much better off without any of the Abrahamic religions, just as the galaxy is better off without the Silastic Armorfiends, and for much the same reasons.

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ford_prefect42 November 16 2015, 15:43:20 UTC
*red face* I had intended to link Rotherham, and failed to check the article. Rotherham was a big one that was allowed to continue for years, because the authorities were afraid of being culturally insensitive.

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