Or is this just the first round of the zombie riots hitting the United States?
Dontcha know its always acceptable behavior when the Democrats do it? You know, because they need to protect "the working class/middle class" from the elites/corporations/Big [Agra/Pharma/Tobacco/Oil/Whatever] and theyre not going to let little things like, you know, procedure, stand in their way.
Weasel senators that fled the state should be fired.
Your questions about public unions echo those I've been kicking around lately. The labor/capital model really just doesn't fit and makes the mapping of general union rights onto public workers' unions very peculiar indeed. Sort of like the duke's taxmen unionizing.
So you unionize to protect your labor force from having the monolithic government overlord do too much scrutiny? Protect individual rights of the workers or something?
I'm not sure I understand what the union exists to accomplish here. I'm not being snarky, I'm trying to understand it.
I *totally* get the concept of a union in a for-profit industry: each individual laborer has little power against being exploited in the name of a few individuals making a profit.
But public sector unions seem to be about a few individuals making a profit by exploiting a whole lot of individual laborers.
I suspect a lot of people will go right on paying for those union dues.
Sure. FUD will be there initially.
And anyhow, would you want to go up the bureaucracy of the State legislature and Executive office without collective bargaining power as a state employee?
Sure. Got a fair bit of experience there.
I can say this as a former employee of 2 state universities and 4 state agencies (I still don't know how I keep falling into these jobs)), that here, in the right-to-work states, the state bureaucracy isn't the horror story that people raised in the union might think.
Works for us, sans-forced-union. Plenty of protective rules - far better than exists in the for-profit world - and the pay/benefits aren't that bad.
I ask every single teacher how much they pay in union dues. Something over 2.5% of their take-home pay is normal.
In our town the last thing the unions did was keep a fifth grade teacher from being fired that *really* needed to be fired. The town eventually paid her an entire extra year's wages to get rid of her. She did nothing *awful*, she just was someone who should not be a teacher, she was mad at the kids all the time and hated her job and no one wanted to be the victim family whose kids pulled her.
"Why is it being called a failure of democracy for a state legislature to debate and vote on a bill and pass it by majority rule?"
Because it was already decided!.
That's what's overwhelmingly "Liberal" (Progressive/left-wing/communist, youknowwhatimean) mindset, far more than any other group.
Once you've passed/started something they think is good, it's untouchableYou cannot ever, ever repeal it, take it back, re-do it, unless it's in the line of more government power
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"Liberal institutions straightway cease from being liberal the moment they are soundly established: once this is attained no more grievous and more thorough enemies of freedom exist than liberal institutions." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Dontcha know its always acceptable behavior when the Democrats do it? You know, because they need to protect "the working class/middle class" from the elites/corporations/Big [Agra/Pharma/Tobacco/Oil/Whatever] and theyre not going to let little things like, you know, procedure, stand in their way.
Weasel senators that fled the state should be fired.
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I'm not sure I understand what the union exists to accomplish here. I'm not being snarky, I'm trying to understand it.
I *totally* get the concept of a union in a for-profit industry: each individual laborer has little power against being exploited in the name of a few individuals making a profit.
But public sector unions seem to be about a few individuals making a profit by exploiting a whole lot of individual laborers.
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Sure. FUD will be there initially.
And anyhow, would you want to go up the bureaucracy of the State legislature and Executive office without collective bargaining power as a state employee?
Sure. Got a fair bit of experience there.
I can say this as a former employee of 2 state universities and 4 state agencies (I still don't know how I keep falling into these jobs)), that here, in the right-to-work states, the state bureaucracy isn't the horror story that people raised in the union might think.
Works for us, sans-forced-union. Plenty of protective rules - far better than exists in the for-profit world - and the pay/benefits aren't that bad.
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In our town the last thing the unions did was keep a fifth grade teacher from being fired that *really* needed to be fired. The town eventually paid her an entire extra year's wages to get rid of her. She did nothing *awful*, she just was someone who should not be a teacher, she was mad at the kids all the time and hated her job and no one wanted to be the victim family whose kids pulled her.
But all the teacher pay $900/year to the union.
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Because it was already decided!.
That's what's overwhelmingly "Liberal" (Progressive/left-wing/communist, youknowwhatimean) mindset, far more than any other group.
Once you've passed/started something they think is good, it's untouchableYou cannot ever, ever repeal it, take it back, re-do it, unless it's in the line of more government power ( ... )
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