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[guillotina]

Yesterday I received a flyer in the mail from a group of wingnuts calling themselves "Concerned Canadian Parents". It was regarding my MP's support of Bill C-38. The jist of it was that same sex marriage will change MY life, that marriage is our "greatest Canadian treasure", etc., and that I should immediately mail in the card included with the

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[observing_ego]

Sorry... CONSERVATIVE party... same thing.

[guillotina]

I'm definitely aware that there are religious extremists in Canada, but considering the fact that these people have no contact info aside from a post office box in a 7-11 in Toronto, and that more and more American-styled anti-human rights media seems to be crossing the border, that's just one of my guesses as to where the message originated.

It could've been from anyone really, but whomever it was has money to be pumping into the cause - every riding in Canada that has a non-conservative majority has/will receive this flyer.

My beef with it is that it looks misleading at first glance - it looks like it's *from* the MP and the MP is telling me to support his decision to vote 'no' on C-38. In a haze after waking up from a nap yesterday, I misread it and nearly called up my MP's office screaming!

[observing_ego]

I really don't understand the fuss. Maybe Gay people should marry without telling anyone. What we don't know won't hurt us. Maybe it's none of our business. There are clearly a few people who can't handle it.

And it's not as if they're hurting anyone.

We live in a strange time when the worst the queer community can do is marry.

"Those sick freaks! How do they /sleep/ at night!"

oy vey.

[dream_king]

You will find that people have issue with the Secular extremists just as much.

[observing_ego]

Secular extremists? When was the last time you heard of anyone with a secular background flying a plane into a building, or blowing up an abortion clinic?

There's a reason that people get their hands and heads chopped off in countries like Saudi Arabia. That reason is fundamentalism.

Secularism is a requirement of a functional democracy.

[dream_king]

How about when was the last time you saw a religious person committing Inutero Infanticide?

Abortion is baby murder, that is what it is. Calling it anything else is just trying to make one feel better about themselves.

Secularism is not a necessity for democracy, rather, having the freedom to choose is a requirement of democracy.

[guillotina]

Abortion is murder if you're religious or conservative. Or if you're a woman who can't think for herself, and let your husband or parents do the thinking for you.

For the rest of us, it's a responsible choice.

No uterus, no choice. ;)

[dream_king]

The responsible choice is to not get pregnant.

Women can think for themselves and know that abortion is baby murder.

Explain why else Ms Roe from Roe V. Wade is trying to get the Supreme Court to over rule their original decision which allowed her to get an abortion 30 years ago?

Responsible people don't get pregnant until they are married. Responsible people don't murder babies, if one has an unwanted pregnancy, one gives the baby up for adoption. In Canada and the US there are so many people who want babies and are unable to that they have to import the children from Eastern Europe and Asia.

[guillotina]

Condoms break. Birth control fails or becomes ineffective. Women are raped. These things do not make people irresponsible

[observing_ego]

You can have a democracy that thrives. You can have a theocracy. You cannot have both.

Most of the world religions [Christianity, Judasim, Islam] believe that theirs is the only way to heaven. What happens when any one of them becomes the official state religion? [Every other person belonging to the other relgions become second class citizens.] The same pattern happens even when the state allows people to choose their own religion, as was the case in the roman empire.

Abortion is cell murder. A Fetus [without a developed brain] is not a baby. An Embryo is not a baby. A Zygote is not a baby [as Catholics believe].

[dream_king]

Canada has an official religion, it is Christianity, the US does not have an official religion. Common Wealth Countries are all Christian as are all European countries save for France which in the 60's passed secularization laws.

As for abortion, a sperm and an egg become a baby when the egg becomes fertilized. That is called Pregnancy, the common expression is "I am having a baby"

[observing_ego]

For someone to be elected president in the US, he has to tell his nation that he's Christian, and demonstrate this by going to church and praying will Billy Graham. More people in greater numbers attend church in The United States. By contrast very few people attend relgious services in general in Canada. And if someone in Canada suggests that he thinks the jury is still out on evolution, as Stockwell Day did, he looses credibility with the Canadian public.

What is written on paper may or may not represent reality.

If you think a zygote is a baby, you have failed grade eight biology. End of story on that one.

[chainblast]

There should be a neo infront of the conservative. :P

[dream_king]

Not at all. You will find Palio-Cons like myself are just as much against Gay Marriage as Neo-Cons are.

[dream_king]

Do you even know what the definition of a Neo-Con is?

[observing_ego]

You're a Neo-Con Ziv. Admit it. :)