Freedom

[grrm]

Yesterday's post seems to have triggered a huge outpouring of comments, and I see the same issues being discussed all over the internet, in a hundred different places. Needless to say, there's a huge range of opinions, but some of the polls I've looked at suggest the majority of Americans are okay with these new TSA "security" measures because,

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[skull_bearer]

*applause*

1984

[mat33]

I thought, no one of notice in the first world would have the guts to speak out.

True liberty

[skull_bearer]

The basis of civilisation and its continued evolution has always lay in the need for people to give up certain liberties for the oportunity to live in a complex and diverse community. But who gets to decide what rules are good and what rules impinge too much on our innate desire to determine the course of our own lives? It was not terribly long ago when it was perfectly reasonable to kill someone who impugned your honour, how much more so if someone killed a family member (and I am not talking about the societies the Eurocentric types like to insultingly call savage or barbarian - you have heard of duels right?). But we came up with a better way of seeking justice and righting wrongs; we took away peoples right to fight duels and commit vengance murders (and it was a right in those societies). And those who wanted to continue to exercise those rights protested most vociferously and for a number of years went about continuing their dueling for many years. But now there are very few who would vote for the return of those rights

Re: True liberty

[skull_bearer]

Who will educate humanity?

Not George Bush, that's for sure.

Re: True liberty

[skull_bearer]

The facts just don’t support your assertion here. Humans clearly have more freedom now then they had in feudal societies in the past. Germany went from a free democracy to a fascist police state back to the democracy we see now. The United States under King George had less liberty then they had after the American Revolution. There is no such evolution where humans must give up liberties to live in more complex societies. Your single example is hardly an encompassing trend

[_se_bas]

I second that!

utah

[skull_bearer]

i third forth and fifth that !!

[kaenne]

Very interesting.. What shell we do, times change.