Once More, Into the Kennels

Apr 17, 2015 21:20

Brad Torgersen has added a post to his blog: "Sad Puppies: We Are Not Rabid Puppies ( Read more... )

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shiv5468 April 18 2015, 04:29:34 UTC
I don't think there's an obligation for putting together a rec list to be democratic, though if a readership of a blog repeatedly mention the same works there would be some rough approximation thereto. The democracy turns up later in the Hugo voting process.

I think the sad puppies are people with whom rapprochement is possible of an agree to disagree sort on what sort of books you like but you can agree that the Hugo process should not be broken in this way again. They like the books more than the politics.

The rabid puppies however seem more than happy to break Everything because no one should have nice things. The politics is what matters to them not books.

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Hmmm... ext_1701536 April 20 2015, 14:51:36 UTC
I guess I would agree with you if the SPs didn't vote in lockstep as a bloc. When that happens, it moves beyond being a "rec list" and becomes a concerted effort to use "democracy" to your advantage.

And no, "the democracy" doesn't "turn up later in the Hugo voting process" if the SP nominating block excludes who would have won in a "true" democracy.

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Re: Hmmm... shiv5468 April 21 2015, 06:55:15 UTC
And the progressive side arranging a no award vote bloc is not a slate because?

I don't like th SPs and I really don't like the RPs but you can't have doublethink. If you don't like it when they do it, then you shouldn't do it.and even if bloc voting takes place it's still democratic. People who vote in a way you don't approve of because they espouse views you don't agree with are still being democratic

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Re: Hmmm... grrm April 21 2015, 17:01:41 UTC
The "progressive side" clearly has no slate. Discussions and debates are taking place all over the internet as to how to respond to the ballot. Four or five different approaches are being advocated, and there is deep disagreement. In the end, everyone will make their own choices.

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Re: Hmmm... shiv5468 April 21 2015, 18:40:48 UTC
The progressive side is having discussions about a response to the slates, and is loosely organising what that should be, looking for a consensus

It may not be a slate, but it is not an organic response that is just lots of people coincidentally doing the same thing.

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Re: Hmmm... grrm April 22 2015, 00:12:21 UTC
I doubt that the progressive side will all be doing the same thing.

Will Rogers once said, "I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat."

Too true.

The Lockstep Legions of the Rabids, in contrast, all seem to vote as their Great Leader tells them to.

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