SNSD history: lol mean prank is mean. Maybe Yuri pranks Tiffany because she's been the victim of HyoSooSica's pranks too much. sLaVe also left more information about Stella. Showcase photo makes me feel like an obsessive stalker-fan for finding it so intriguing.(The showcase footage in their UCCs is the same) More disturbingly, I feel older than them when I look at that picture. It used to be I could still identify with the younger girls in H!P, but I feel protective of these girls sans Jessica!? D:D:D: It's interesting that the only original members left after the first revision made it into the final lineup. Those are also the longest trained members of current lineup, and possibly the best dancers? Also, Seohyun wasn't the youngest in most of the revision. Poor Lee Hwanhee was in and out -- twice. The "Super Girls" lineup is especially fascinating since their vocal/dance/image groups were also apparently leaked. Dance Quad is the same(although they changed to Dance Trio after debut), but Jessica and the two cut girls being groomed as image girls bears thought. One can only wonder what SNSD with three Americans would have been like. I think Tiffany would have still become the wildcard ace though, because this lineup seems to have obvious aegyo-faces only in Taeyeon, Yoona, and Tiffany. Since we know the other two wouldn't take up that image, she would have THE aegyo character.(Although Taeyeon has this weird reverse-psychology aegyo going on thanks to her dorkiness and babyface, as r said) Then again, that might be why SM included Sunny and the two younger girls in the next version. I'm thinking that they were expecting Yuri to be an instant hit as well, since she was one of the original six. But almost every HUGE fan of hers that I know has gone for someone else first(usually Yoona or Jessica) before 'discovering' Yuri. It's not a case of holding back, like they did with Jessica, because she's always been all over the variety circuit like Sooyoung, and the shows always loved her. But it seems only now has Yuri really gotten enough Exclusive Worshippers to warrant her taking over the dance collaboration spots. Hm, the ONLY time Yoona is not front and center on the group pictures in when Stella was. But otherwise, there are no other completely consistent front-row girls.
r: lol, you haven't seen aegyo crack yet until you've gone through Japan's loli-idol industry. My first real experience with the idol world was this MV. I usually hate cutesiness too, so this had me twitching, but the gorram catchiness sucked me into into a whirlpool of cutesy culminating in me writing this comment. Uh, yeah. Kpop aegyo is nothing compared to Jpop kawaii. NOTHING. (But, uh, if you value vocal quality DON'T GET INTO JPOP. XD)
Also, YES to Taeyeon the belter. Come on, Garland/Streisand covers! Murman covers might be a bit too far, though, even if "No Business Like Show Business" is entirely too relevant.
Can't remember who said this (grey? jko?) but maknae wasn't always maknae, it seems, hence the difficulty in adjusting to life as Maknae.
My guess is that if you debut young, you've got to be able to look a li'l bit mature. Krystal doesn't look 14. She's fresh-faced and dewy and all, but she has enough confidence to give me the feeling that she's 16 or 17. Ditto for Sunmi and Sohee and Hyuna when they debuted. Maybe Hwanhee was too "soft"?
Being groomed as image girls--the mind boggles at how this affects the girls' mentality or psychology. What is it like to know that you're the center/"face" and that you are valued because of the way you look? I remember being puzzled by the terms "center" and "Face" when I first got into kpop.
Ah, but Tiffany wasn't quite seen as beauty when she had long hair, I would say. She said in her MTV/UCC that someone gave her a hint that she'd look better with short hair, so she only cut it after that picture was taken. She has an aegyo personality, but with long hair and no fringe, she could easily pass for a "quiet beauty" like Yoona, provided she didn't open her mouth. And I don't think Sunny was included for aegyo--can't remember where, but the girls did say they were surprised at her aegyo because she'd come in doing "powerful dances"! She had already been training under Wheesung, so I'm guessing she came in due to her dance, her vocals and maybe because she was seen as a safe bet, thanks to her uncle.
Yuri probably wasn't styled properly--I'm thinking the makeup was slightly too light for her, on a lot of occasions in their debut stage. Can I say I think Stella looks really good in a different way? She'd have been a nice contrast to Yoona as center, and maybe it wouldn't have made Sooyoung and Hyoyeon look so out of place. I wonder how Yoona felt, when her main competition as center/actress-to-be left? (If she was supposed to be a vocal too, then Yoona might have felt threatened.)
Jpop: No, no and no. That video made me raise my eyebrows too many times. They're too young. I want my girls looking like they know what they're doing in the business.
Also, YES to Taeyeon the belter. Come on, Garland/Streisand covers! Murman covers might be a bit too far, though, even if "No Business Like Show Business" is entirely too relevant. The funny thing is, I can picture Tiffany doing all these covers. She seems to be more of a ham than Taeyeon. (That sounded a bit off!)
You know what I want? A 9-member version of Fame. Singing, awesome dancing, on stage, in sweats/training clothes that DON'T match too much, and emo emo emo emoting. Rawr.
FUCK YOU PEOPLE AND YOUR FAST REPLYING. XP Geh, I think I spent half of today editing my reply to this topic between random errands and every time I came back I had to revise to account for the new replies. Nothing of which to say the all-nighter Sick Shi Dae and the Hyoyeon Diaries were produced.
Buahaha, Kpop is for the people who aren't corrupted enough for Jpop yet.(I think that's me, even the H!P migrants here weren't into the Hello!Project Kids, and that's where I got my start :3) This is Airi. She's been in the business since 2003, and her unit's released single might as well have been her solo single at the tender age of nine. She's been the star of every unit she's been in, and did I mention that she's older than Krystal? XD This girl knows EXACTLY what she's doing, which is to appear like she doesn't and is still an innocent little girl. That happens to have one of the best voices in H!P, which doesn't say much for H!P. But H!P's flagship unit Morning Musume is the basis for large girl groups, and SNSD used to be cited as a MM ripoff, so that's why we spew tons of H!P/MM references.
Also, think of how the other girls would feel after being told "You're not pretty enough to be the face." Which would be worse? In Kpop the face issue is actually better because most group faces do still have genuine skills to back up their claims, whereas Jpop is somewhat notorious for their faces being only that. Actually, it's almost preferred for girl idols to suck at singing and dancing and marginally improve over time, so that we can "watch them grow in their idolhood".
You are right about Tiffany. I didn't notice her at all in GGTS until her birthday episode, and even the first time I saw the KY SGB I didn't really get her eye-smile other than "Oh, another cute act." It wasn't until I saw the Gee Star King with Sala, long after I was head-deep in fandom, that I felt the power of the eye-smile. That's also a good point about how Sunny's initial image would have been different. But all of the trainees being considered for SNSD would have been trained for powerful singing and dancing, considering their debut material. I was referring to how most of the faces in the Super Girls lineup were pretty fierce, except for Taeyeon and Yoona. Since ITNW was going for a fresh image, they may have wanted more babyfaces.
Covers: But her style of belting is much more in line with R&B stuff. I don't know what I'm talking about, but Taeyeon and Jessica just have this clarity to their voices that falls in line with the great belters. Am I making any sense here? It's like how their talking voices and singing voices are different from each other. Although if she smoothed out her voice I could see Tiffany singing like Lena Horne. Could you elaborate on being "more of a ham"? I think I might know what you mean, but I want to make sure.
Groan. I think I'll stick to admiring their art and literature and Utada Hikaru's Endless Love, thanks. I'm too used to the kpop aesthetics to find them to my taste.
Face issue: I think the girls knew that Yoona had a special quality about her that would make her a face anyway--one of them said that even as a trainee, she had an angelic quality about her that made you look twice/think twice about bullying her.
Dude/dudette, Tiffany's eye-smile is all about the fringe. It makes you focus on her eyes, which suddenly suck you in, and stun you. Without her fringe, Tiffany is dangerously close to being Miyoung.
-thinks- Yeah, Soyeon just gives me an uber fierce vibe, even with her T-ara styling now. She's got a bitch!stare, and I meant that in a neutral way. And I think with the success of Boa, all the girl trainees would have been trained the same way in powerful singing/dancing.
Grey: Yuri was babyfaced but her 12 year old audition clip showed her doing some stunning waves and moves to Boa, and she was clearly v comfortable already with her body back then. Not saying she was sexed-up then or anything, but being comfortable with using her body like that probably helped her a lot.
Yes, Tiffany does have an R&B vibe to her voice, but I was thinking, how much of that is due to what she's been listening to and thus trained herself to model? Doubt the girl has too much showtunes background, if High School Musical is one of her favourite shows O.o I just think that the richer quality of her voice can translate to showtunes too, although showtunes belting might just kill her voice, since I think (and please correct me if I'm wrong) you can't cheat so much when you transition to your headvoice in showtunes. It's gotta be solid all the way, whereas Tiffany has been relying on a tolerable but distinctly weakened headvoice ever since her throat got damaged. Am I making sense?
Ham! Friend of bacon :D No, seriously, Tiffany emotes every darn line she sings, bless her heart. It sometimes goes overboard (cf winking every 3 secs in their cover of Tell Me), but she does everything she can to make sure you understand what the line is about, even if you don't speak Korean--open eyes, hand on chest, head tilt, wink, flutter eyelashes, she's only outdone by Sunny in this department. Besides, she had aspirations to be an actress recently, right? Given her personality, she probably likes shows with Big Emotions too. I don't quite know how to explain myself, but anyway, watch her work the camera/any line she's given, and watch Taeng, who just does what she has to do.
Fame: Yes, I saw them before, but it merely sparked the hunger, not assuaged it! Those are nice, but I want the girls to sing/dance/emote it, because that'd be pure heaven. It fits them to a T, every sweating panting earnest moment of it. Admit that you wanted a live version of them too!
Eye-smile: I don't know, she was sporting long hair extensions in the Jeti HB, but it was still pretty devastating. I think it just took fandom-colored glasses to convert me.
Yuri: Even so, "Gahee's girl" Yuri as it is now is a fairly recent development. Even in the Porno Shidae MV(in which WTFWTFWTFBBQ Sooyoung mashes a cake in the customer's face camera) she's nowhere near as "family-friendly" as Playbunny Sunny. Then again, this is during the Gee era, and it includes a bit from the end of 2007 at the end. :P
I'm not clear on what you mean by headvoice. Percussionist, never vocally trained. :P But your point on HSM is good. Ham-ness only works with certain songs, though. I ranted before how I hate that new R&B-ish covers of "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and "Over the Rainbow" over-emote and destroy the song. "Anything You Can Do" would be perfect for ham, though. It would be interesting to see who could do the "hold a note longer" or "reach a note higher".
Fame: I should probably watch the original first. *sweatdrop*
Now you've gone and put ideas into my head! Imagine a sing-off with random boyband (don't really care who, scuse my bias) and SNSD 9, Taeng can do the line on note holding I guess, and Sica can do her dolphin squeal for the "I can sing it higher", and Sunny can ahem, step up for the line on "I can wear a sweater/I can fill it better". Cough.
Are you sick? Everyone seems to be getting sick. D:
Maybe you should merge the performances that were back-to-back with no lineup changes? These seem more like one continuous stage to me, and because there are no lineup changes it just makes the difference fractions smaller.
I don't think it skews anything because they all particpated and so they all get credit for those performances in the same manner--what I do want to show is how many stages they performed and "Gee" and "Genie" are two separate songs. They didn't even perform "Genie" at KBS.
I was trying to think of a reason why the dance stages would have been so prevalent and I couldn't really think of a good one. It's not necessarily easier to get rehearsal time in vs. a duet collaboration that just focuses on singing. Maybe it appealed to a younger audience, keeping the long-ass shows dynamic?
I, too, was shocked by how leveled the numbers were. I think it was mainly my Hyo!bias coloring everything I watched because, damn if I didn't get a ton of Hyo!
Pain flows from a higher place to a lower place . . . So that means Tiffany is lower on the "everyone's bitch" scale?
I find all their pre-debut pictures really fascinating but that's because it feels like a peek into the private lives of idols that is always fascinating. D: Oh, idol-dom. They definitely look fresh faced and uncertain, not the polished idols--in some cases more polished than others--we know now.
I was curious about that little "dancer" rumor. So they were worse at picking up choreo than Tiffany? Or did Tiffany's voice compensate for her dancing? I wish there was more information than just that throwaway rumor line.
Re: maknae. It just makes you think that none of the maknaes in a group are really maknaes in the company since they train so long and thus must always have younger trainess coming in after them. Maybe they all have to go through that, "I'm the maknae?" phase.
I think HyoYeon was expected was expected to do better, too, since she was such a well known trainee. In hindsight it's easy to scratch our heads a bit, but her name was one that had been floated around interestingly.
Jessica's length of training probably also had her on some people's radar. I think perhaps they pulled back a bit once the pre-debut talk and antis got it into their heads to hate her for being linked to SuJu boys and whatnot. Ah, antis.
Yul was so babyfaced two years ago. She's grown into this sexuality and this on-stage sex persona. It definitely wasn't always there and not like it is today.
By lower do you mean "more of everyone's bitch"? :P After all, SooNa have taken their time to prank her language-wise too. That was hilarious how in HB Jessica started out all "You're pranking her" to "Wait, now I'm uncertain D: DAMN YOU AND YOUR SILVER TONGUE"
Pre-debut photos: What I've taken away from this is that I would like to see SNSD cornrows stat, but at the same time this fills me with D:. :\
Ah, antis, indeed. In this post-Gee post-Dream Concert '09 world it's easy to forget that Kpop antis used to be its defining feature and SNSD's real claim to infamy. D:
In SNSD's case the maknae adjustment have have been easier because of their long training period. Most of the girls would have just seen her as a kid because that's how they would remember her.(And as I noted before we know for a fact that DBSK and Suju babied her dawwwww) But I figure that the "I'm the maknae" really settles in once the maknae is the only one left in school. The difference between high school and graduated/college life is enormous. (And hahaha at changing lineup groups. I wonder how Nicole dealt with being not-maknae, or if she had to. I know that Reina was definitely peeved for a while after Koharu joined.)
lol, family-friendly Yuri developing into "family-friendly" Yuri. I say it's the hair. Her |o face isn't quite the same in the 2007 Gayo Daejun version of Adult Ceremony. And there is definitely less hump-y waves in her "Attack of the Pin-up Boys" solo. (OH GAH. XD Womanizer was totally Head Pimp Gahee showin' off her star girl Yuri and new disciple Hyuna. XD)
Well, han seungyeon apparently tried to be the cute one in the group, even from the start. Nicole probably found her niche with SGB's segment--not maknae cute, but ditsy sociable cute.
I'd say Womanizer was Head Dog Gahee showing that she had what she took, even with New Star Yuri, with Hyuna trying her darndest not to be out-danced. Hyuna's got a solo coming up, and I can hear dance break material in half the song. What I've seen of her dancing hasn't been impressive so far, but perhaps she'll get decent cheoro this time. Or else she's gonna be the next Chaeyeon, whom I think is v nice but who is well in the slide into overly-sleazy dance pop, and Hyuna's only what, 17? 18?
By lower do you mean "more of everyone's bitch"? :P
Yes.
Hyo and Sunny have sported . . . half cornrows? A patch of cornrows? They both can pull them off, I think, since they can both carry attitude.
The fans weren't happy to see Nicole usurped as the maknae, lol. Ah, Reina, such a diva. I love how Sayumi and Nakazawa were calling her out for having center privilege on 007.
Hyunah needs to class it up. It makes me uncomfortable to watch her sometimes.
You realize this means that your next ranking NEEDS to be the "SNSD's bitches" ranking, right? (windbells/xiao_baka already did an seme-->uke rating, though)
Pre-debut it was definitely the seniority order except for badass Sunny and neutral Seohyun doing their own thing: Sooyoung-->Hyoyeon-->Jessica-->Yoona-->Yuri-->Taeyeon-->Tiffany
Post-debut is trickier. Maybe Seohyun(ON TOP HAHAHAHA)-->Hyoyeon-->Sooyoung/Sunny-->Yoona-->Jessica-->Taeyeon-->Yuri-->Tiffany The Hyoyeon-->Sooyoung/Sunny seems negotiable. Hyoyeon definitely would have more authority in the dorm, but at the same time the SilverTongues are probably always teasing her. I'm also not sure about Taeyeon's place.
Yuri also had partial cornrows in the IDB practice room footage(and it was <3). I don't think I've ever seen a H!Per sport partial cornrows that I didn't like either.
I think the problem with HyunA is her babyface. Compared to Minzy's dancing she's sexy-weaksauce, but because Minzy is always sporting an incredible FIERCE FACE >:| it doesn't feel as pedo. That said, all the more reason for more HyoGahee. Show them how it's done!
Pre-debut it was definitely the seniority order except for badass Sunny and neutral Seohyun doing their own thing: Sooyoung-->Hyoyeon-->Jessica-->Yoona-->Yuri-->Taeyeon-->Tiffany
But that's not the seniority order, lol: Jessica-->Hyo-->Syoung-->YuRi/YoonA (I think Yul came first?)-->Taeng/Fany (not sure here either)-->SeoHyun as everyone's dongsaeng/Sunny as the newbie wild card
I think it's too hard to create a scale that everyone fits on comfortably. It's much easier to break it down to pairings and determine who would be what in each instance. SooYoung is pretty good at rounding everyone up though from all reports.
I don't remember Yul's hair in the IDB practice room, lol. I think I remember her having them in a performance, so that must've been the same day.
HyunAh needs something. Something that doesn't leave you feeling like you need to go wash your hands or something.
I tried to fill it out myself, but came up with a bunch of "...um, I have no idea"s starting with Taengsic, lol. Sooyoung and Sunny were dominating, though, and Tiffany was getting owned, as expected.
TaengSic is probably pretty equal, with Sica perhaps being someone who would more naturally throw her weight around while TaeYeon is more about bringing about a harmonious resolution.
Fany can be pretty much everyone's bitch for lots of reasons depending on who it is and what's the situation. She can also go from pwning to be pwned really quickly, i.e. go from bossy unni to being pranked by a dongsaeng.
sLaVe also left more information about Stella.
Showcase photo makes me feel like an obsessive stalker-fan for finding it so intriguing.(The showcase footage in their UCCs is the same) More disturbingly, I feel older than them when I look at that picture. It used to be I could still identify with the younger girls in H!P, but I feel protective of these girls sans Jessica!? D:D:D:
It's interesting that the only original members left after the first revision made it into the final lineup. Those are also the longest trained members of current lineup, and possibly the best dancers? Also, Seohyun wasn't the youngest in most of the revision. Poor Lee Hwanhee was in and out -- twice.
The "Super Girls" lineup is especially fascinating since their vocal/dance/image groups were also apparently leaked. Dance Quad is the same(although they changed to Dance Trio after debut), but Jessica and the two cut girls being groomed as image girls bears thought.
One can only wonder what SNSD with three Americans would have been like. I think Tiffany would have still become the wildcard ace though, because this lineup seems to have obvious aegyo-faces only in Taeyeon, Yoona, and Tiffany. Since we know the other two wouldn't take up that image, she would have THE aegyo character.(Although Taeyeon has this weird reverse-psychology aegyo going on thanks to her dorkiness and babyface, as r said) Then again, that might be why SM included Sunny and the two younger girls in the next version.
I'm thinking that they were expecting Yuri to be an instant hit as well, since she was one of the original six. But almost every HUGE fan of hers that I know has gone for someone else first(usually Yoona or Jessica) before 'discovering' Yuri. It's not a case of holding back, like they did with Jessica, because she's always been all over the variety circuit like Sooyoung, and the shows always loved her. But it seems only now has Yuri really gotten enough Exclusive Worshippers to warrant her taking over the dance collaboration spots.
Hm, the ONLY time Yoona is not front and center on the group pictures in when Stella was. But otherwise, there are no other completely consistent front-row girls.
r: lol, you haven't seen aegyo crack yet until you've gone through Japan's loli-idol industry. My first real experience with the idol world was this MV. I usually hate cutesiness too, so this had me twitching, but the gorram catchiness sucked me into into a whirlpool of cutesy culminating in me writing this comment. Uh, yeah. Kpop aegyo is nothing compared to Jpop kawaii. NOTHING. (But, uh, if you value vocal quality DON'T GET INTO JPOP. XD)
Also, YES to Taeyeon the belter. Come on, Garland/Streisand covers! Murman covers might be a bit too far, though, even if "No Business Like Show Business" is entirely too relevant.
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My guess is that if you debut young, you've got to be able to look a li'l bit mature. Krystal doesn't look 14. She's fresh-faced and dewy and all, but she has enough confidence to give me the feeling that she's 16 or 17. Ditto for Sunmi and Sohee and Hyuna when they debuted. Maybe Hwanhee was too "soft"?
Being groomed as image girls--the mind boggles at how this affects the girls' mentality or psychology. What is it like to know that you're the center/"face" and that you are valued because of the way you look? I remember being puzzled by the terms "center" and "Face" when I first got into kpop.
Ah, but Tiffany wasn't quite seen as beauty when she had long hair, I would say. She said in her MTV/UCC that someone gave her a hint that she'd look better with short hair, so she only cut it after that picture was taken. She has an aegyo personality, but with long hair and no fringe, she could easily pass for a "quiet beauty" like Yoona, provided she didn't open her mouth.
And I don't think Sunny was included for aegyo--can't remember where, but the girls did say they were surprised at her aegyo because she'd come in doing "powerful dances"! She had already been training under Wheesung, so I'm guessing she came in due to her dance, her vocals and maybe because she was seen as a safe bet, thanks to her uncle.
Yuri probably wasn't styled properly--I'm thinking the makeup was slightly too light for her, on a lot of occasions in their debut stage.
Can I say I think Stella looks really good in a different way? She'd have been a nice contrast to Yoona as center, and maybe it wouldn't have made Sooyoung and Hyoyeon look so out of place.
I wonder how Yoona felt, when her main competition as center/actress-to-be left? (If she was supposed to be a vocal too, then Yoona might have felt threatened.)
Jpop: No, no and no. That video made me raise my eyebrows too many times. They're too young. I want my girls looking like they know what they're doing in the business.
Also, YES to Taeyeon the belter. Come on, Garland/Streisand covers! Murman covers might be a bit too far, though, even if "No Business Like Show Business" is entirely too relevant.
The funny thing is, I can picture Tiffany doing all these covers. She seems to be more of a ham than Taeyeon. (That sounded a bit off!)
You know what I want? A 9-member version of Fame. Singing, awesome dancing, on stage, in sweats/training clothes that DON'T match too much, and emo emo emo emoting. Rawr.
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Buahaha, Kpop is for the people who aren't corrupted enough for Jpop yet.(I think that's me, even the H!P migrants here weren't into the Hello!Project Kids, and that's where I got my start :3) This is Airi. She's been in the business since 2003, and her unit's released single might as well have been her solo single at the tender age of nine. She's been the star of every unit she's been in, and did I mention that she's older than Krystal? XD This girl knows EXACTLY what she's doing, which is to appear like she doesn't and is still an innocent little girl. That happens to have one of the best voices in H!P, which doesn't say much for H!P. But H!P's flagship unit Morning Musume is the basis for large girl groups, and SNSD used to be cited as a MM ripoff, so that's why we spew tons of H!P/MM references.
Also, think of how the other girls would feel after being told "You're not pretty enough to be the face." Which would be worse? In Kpop the face issue is actually better because most group faces do still have genuine skills to back up their claims, whereas Jpop is somewhat notorious for their faces being only that. Actually, it's almost preferred for girl idols to suck at singing and dancing and marginally improve over time, so that we can "watch them grow in their idolhood".
You are right about Tiffany. I didn't notice her at all in GGTS until her birthday episode, and even the first time I saw the KY SGB I didn't really get her eye-smile other than "Oh, another cute act." It wasn't until I saw the Gee Star King with Sala, long after I was head-deep in fandom, that I felt the power of the eye-smile. That's also a good point about how Sunny's initial image would have been different. But all of the trainees being considered for SNSD would have been trained for powerful singing and dancing, considering their debut material. I was referring to how most of the faces in the Super Girls lineup were pretty fierce, except for Taeyeon and Yoona. Since ITNW was going for a fresh image, they may have wanted more babyfaces.
Covers: But her style of belting is much more in line with R&B stuff. I don't know what I'm talking about, but Taeyeon and Jessica just have this clarity to their voices that falls in line with the great belters. Am I making any sense here? It's like how their talking voices and singing voices are different from each other. Although if she smoothed out her voice I could see Tiffany singing like Lena Horne.
Could you elaborate on being "more of a ham"? I think I might know what you mean, but I want to make sure.
Fame: Have you seen this? :P
Here, have the 9PM edition as well.
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Face issue: I think the girls knew that Yoona had a special quality about her that would make her a face anyway--one of them said that even as a trainee, she had an angelic quality about her that made you look twice/think twice about bullying her.
Dude/dudette, Tiffany's eye-smile is all about the fringe. It makes you focus on her eyes, which suddenly suck you in, and stun you. Without her fringe, Tiffany is dangerously close to being Miyoung.
-thinks- Yeah, Soyeon just gives me an uber fierce vibe, even with her T-ara styling now. She's got a bitch!stare, and I meant that in a neutral way. And I think with the success of Boa, all the girl trainees would have been trained the same way in powerful singing/dancing.
Grey: Yuri was babyfaced but her 12 year old audition clip showed her doing some stunning waves and moves to Boa, and she was clearly v comfortable already with her body back then. Not saying she was sexed-up then or anything, but being comfortable with using her body like that probably helped her a lot.
Yes, Tiffany does have an R&B vibe to her voice, but I was thinking, how much of that is due to what she's been listening to and thus trained herself to model? Doubt the girl has too much showtunes background, if High School Musical is one of her favourite shows O.o I just think that the richer quality of her voice can translate to showtunes too, although showtunes belting might just kill her voice, since I think (and please correct me if I'm wrong) you can't cheat so much when you transition to your headvoice in showtunes. It's gotta be solid all the way, whereas Tiffany has been relying on a tolerable but distinctly weakened headvoice ever since her throat got damaged. Am I making sense?
Ham! Friend of bacon :D No, seriously, Tiffany emotes every darn line she sings, bless her heart. It sometimes goes overboard (cf winking every 3 secs in their cover of Tell Me), but she does everything she can to make sure you understand what the line is about, even if you don't speak Korean--open eyes, hand on chest, head tilt, wink, flutter eyelashes, she's only outdone by Sunny in this department. Besides, she had aspirations to be an actress recently, right? Given her personality, she probably likes shows with Big Emotions too. I don't quite know how to explain myself, but anyway, watch her work the camera/any line she's given, and watch Taeng, who just does what she has to do.
Fame: Yes, I saw them before, but it merely sparked the hunger, not assuaged it! Those are nice, but I want the girls to sing/dance/emote it, because that'd be pure heaven. It fits them to a T, every sweating panting earnest moment of it. Admit that you wanted a live version of them too!
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Yuri: Even so, "Gahee's girl" Yuri as it is now is a fairly recent development. Even in the Porno Shidae MV(in which WTFWTFWTFBBQ Sooyoung mashes a cake in the customer's face camera) she's nowhere near as "family-friendly" as Playbunny Sunny. Then again, this is during the Gee era, and it includes a bit from the end of 2007 at the end. :P
I'm not clear on what you mean by headvoice. Percussionist, never vocally trained. :P But your point on HSM is good. Ham-ness only works with certain songs, though. I ranted before how I hate that new R&B-ish covers of "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and "Over the Rainbow" over-emote and destroy the song.
"Anything You Can Do" would be perfect for ham, though. It would be interesting to see who could do the "hold a note longer" or "reach a note higher".
Fame: I should probably watch the original first. *sweatdrop*
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Ahaha Jeti "Can you bake a pie? No. Neither can I."
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Maybe you should merge the performances that were back-to-back with no lineup changes? These seem more like one continuous stage to me, and because there are no lineup changes it just makes the difference fractions smaller.
I don't think it skews anything because they all particpated and so they all get credit for those performances in the same manner--what I do want to show is how many stages they performed and "Gee" and "Genie" are two separate songs. They didn't even perform "Genie" at KBS.
I was trying to think of a reason why the dance stages would have been so prevalent and I couldn't really think of a good one. It's not necessarily easier to get rehearsal time in vs. a duet collaboration that just focuses on singing. Maybe it appealed to a younger audience, keeping the long-ass shows dynamic?
I, too, was shocked by how leveled the numbers were. I think it was mainly my Hyo!bias coloring everything I watched because, damn if I didn't get a ton of Hyo!
Pain flows from a higher place to a lower place . . . So that means Tiffany is lower on the "everyone's bitch" scale?
I find all their pre-debut pictures really fascinating but that's because it feels like a peek into the private lives of idols that is always fascinating. D: Oh, idol-dom. They definitely look fresh faced and uncertain, not the polished idols--in some cases more polished than others--we know now.
I was curious about that little "dancer" rumor. So they were worse at picking up choreo than Tiffany? Or did Tiffany's voice compensate for her dancing? I wish there was more information than just that throwaway rumor line.
Re: maknae. It just makes you think that none of the maknaes in a group are really maknaes in the company since they train so long and thus must always have younger trainess coming in after them. Maybe they all have to go through that, "I'm the maknae?" phase.
I think HyoYeon was expected was expected to do better, too, since she was such a well known trainee. In hindsight it's easy to scratch our heads a bit, but her name was one that had been floated around interestingly.
Jessica's length of training probably also had her on some people's radar. I think perhaps they pulled back a bit once the pre-debut talk and antis got it into their heads to hate her for being linked to SuJu boys and whatnot. Ah, antis.
Yul was so babyfaced two years ago. She's grown into this sexuality and this on-stage sex persona. It definitely wasn't always there and not like it is today.
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Pre-debut photos: What I've taken away from this is that I would like to see SNSD cornrows stat, but at the same time this fills me with D:. :\
Ah, antis, indeed. In this post-Gee post-Dream Concert '09 world it's easy to forget that Kpop antis used to be its defining feature and SNSD's real claim to infamy. D:
In SNSD's case the maknae adjustment have have been easier because of their long training period. Most of the girls would have just seen her as a kid because that's how they would remember her.(And as I noted before we know for a fact that DBSK and Suju babied her dawwwww) But I figure that the "I'm the maknae" really settles in once the maknae is the only one left in school. The difference between high school and graduated/college life is enormous. (And hahaha at changing lineup groups. I wonder how Nicole dealt with being not-maknae, or if she had to. I know that Reina was definitely peeved for a while after Koharu joined.)
lol, family-friendly Yuri developing into "family-friendly" Yuri. I say it's the hair. Her |o face isn't quite the same in the 2007 Gayo Daejun version of Adult Ceremony. And there is definitely less hump-y waves in her "Attack of the Pin-up Boys" solo.
(OH GAH. XD Womanizer was totally Head Pimp Gahee showin' off her star girl Yuri and new disciple Hyuna. XD)
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I'd say Womanizer was Head Dog Gahee showing that she had what she took, even with New Star Yuri, with Hyuna trying her darndest not to be out-danced.
Hyuna's got a solo coming up, and I can hear dance break material in half the song. What I've seen of her dancing hasn't been impressive so far, but perhaps she'll get decent cheoro this time. Or else she's gonna be the next Chaeyeon, whom I think is v nice but who is well in the slide into overly-sleazy dance pop, and Hyuna's only what, 17? 18?
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Yes.
Hyo and Sunny have sported . . . half cornrows? A patch of cornrows? They both can pull them off, I think, since they can both carry attitude.
The fans weren't happy to see Nicole usurped as the maknae, lol. Ah, Reina, such a diva. I love how Sayumi and Nakazawa were calling her out for having center privilege on 007.
Hyunah needs to class it up. It makes me uncomfortable to watch her sometimes.
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Pre-debut it was definitely the seniority order except for badass Sunny and neutral Seohyun doing their own thing: Sooyoung-->Hyoyeon-->Jessica-->Yoona-->Yuri-->Taeyeon-->Tiffany
Post-debut is trickier. Maybe Seohyun(ON TOP HAHAHAHA)-->Hyoyeon-->Sooyoung/Sunny-->Yoona-->Jessica-->Taeyeon-->Yuri-->Tiffany
The Hyoyeon-->Sooyoung/Sunny seems negotiable. Hyoyeon definitely would have more authority in the dorm, but at the same time the SilverTongues are probably always teasing her. I'm also not sure about Taeyeon's place.
Yuri also had partial cornrows in the IDB practice room footage(and it was <3). I don't think I've ever seen a H!Per sport partial cornrows that I didn't like either.
I think the problem with HyunA is her babyface. Compared to Minzy's dancing she's sexy-weaksauce, but because Minzy is always sporting an incredible FIERCE FACE >:| it doesn't feel as pedo. That said, all the more reason for more HyoGahee. Show them how it's done!
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But that's not the seniority order, lol: Jessica-->Hyo-->Syoung-->YuRi/YoonA (I think Yul came first?)-->Taeng/Fany (not sure here either)-->SeoHyun as everyone's dongsaeng/Sunny as the newbie wild card
I think it's too hard to create a scale that everyone fits on comfortably. It's much easier to break it down to pairings and determine who would be what in each instance. SooYoung is pretty good at rounding everyone up though from all reports.
I don't remember Yul's hair in the IDB practice room, lol. I think I remember her having them in a performance, so that must've been the same day.
HyunAh needs something. Something that doesn't leave you feeling like you need to go wash your hands or something.
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:D
I tried to fill it out myself, but came up with a bunch of "...um, I have no idea"s starting with Taengsic, lol. Sooyoung and Sunny were dominating, though, and Tiffany was getting owned, as expected.
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TaengSic is probably pretty equal, with Sica perhaps being someone who would more naturally throw her weight around while TaeYeon is more about bringing about a harmonious resolution.
Fany can be pretty much everyone's bitch for lots of reasons depending on who it is and what's the situation. She can also go from pwning to be pwned really quickly, i.e. go from bossy unni to being pranked by a dongsaeng.
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