Re: Part One... (I got long winded.)gnineNovember 25 2008, 15:10:16 UTC
I might get long-winded as well, apologies in advance...
I think she acted just like any one of Rodney's friends would I think would, including John.
See, here I'm gonna have to disagree with your disagree. For a couple of reasons. First, though the other's all often tease Rodney about his modesty, or lack there of, I can't remember times they actually order him to tone it back and truly expect him to do so (I could be misremembering). I see a difference between teasing, if it's with the intent of hoping the person will get a clue and better themselves, and actually requesting and expecting the person to do it.
Second, with Keller, I have the added problem because she *WASN'T* there in the capacity of a friend, but supposedly on a first date. When I friend asks to you to tone it down, or teases you about your shortcomings, it's a suggestion. But when a date/potential lover does it, it becomes more than a suggestion, adding the implicit understanding "make these changes or lose the chance for nookie/an on-going relationship". And Rodney responds to it as such. When his other friends (including Teyla, Elizabeth and even Sam, so it's not just a male/female thing) tease him about his short-comings, he usually responds with snark, or just simply ignores them. But with Keller, he meekly tries to obey. He's acting differently with her, because she isn't just a friend, he's looking for something more. So when she keeps nagging/mocking him into change, and instead of responding like the arrogant, self-assured Rodney McKay we know, he keeps caving, it makes me cringe.
Third, I really REALLY don't agree with the idea that the rest of the team would have just rolled over when Rodney stood up and went, NO this is a really baaaad idea. Rodney gets that tone, and they listen. As recent as Prodigal, when Rodney tells John to stop, strange readings, and he immediately *does*, as do all the Marines. Except Lorne, who got the warning a little too late. Poor Lorne *smishes him*. And, seriously, if the writers HAD put John or Teyla or Ronon in Keller's place and they'd done the same thing, telling Rodney to sit back down when he's saying No, this is DANGEROUS, instead of say, calling the SGC, or making enough of a fuss that they had to be escorted out under guards or what not, then believe me, I'd be just as pissed at them and the writers.
Rodney's in a room, surrounded by peers that don't truly respect him, as she's already born witness. She's the ONLY one that knows what he does, how he's helped *save the galaxy*, how he's done more brilliant things than they can hope to dream of, but he can't tell any of them. She's the only one who knows he's had experience with this before and instead of support him in the face of everyone's ignorance, she tells him to back down. And she's WRONG. DEAD WRONG! The idiot almost destroys the planet, not to mention get them all killed, and if she had encouraged Rodney to stand his ground, argue it out with them, if she'd had faith in her "twoo wuv", then they all might have been spared the whole ordeal.
Of course she'd be bored there, Ronon/Teyla/John/Woolsey/Carson/Amelia/Torren/Lorne/Elizabeth would be bored too.
This one I didn't explain as well as I should of. It's not that I expect her to love physics as much as he does. Very few can (though it is one of the things that always made me think Rodney and Sam were rather adorable together, really). More, the point I was trying to make is that we know what they DON'T have in common, the medicine and physics, but they've never shown anything they DO share. When John and Rodney hang out together, we know, we SEE what they have in common, *why* they like to hang out together. Ditto with Rodney and Zelenka or Rodney and Sam (in both cases, they both love their physics oh so much). Other than that, apart from work, we don't see Rodney hanging out with many others. Except with Keller. But unlike the former, we are never given any indication of WHY they like hanging out together. What draws them together?
I think she acted just like any one of Rodney's friends would I think would, including John.
See, here I'm gonna have to disagree with your disagree. For a couple of reasons. First, though the other's all often tease Rodney about his modesty, or lack there of, I can't remember times they actually order him to tone it back and truly expect him to do so (I could be misremembering). I see a difference between teasing, if it's with the intent of hoping the person will get a clue and better themselves, and actually requesting and expecting the person to do it.
Second, with Keller, I have the added problem because she *WASN'T* there in the capacity of a friend, but supposedly on a first date. When I friend asks to you to tone it down, or teases you about your shortcomings, it's a suggestion. But when a date/potential lover does it, it becomes more than a suggestion, adding the implicit understanding "make these changes or lose the chance for nookie/an on-going relationship". And Rodney responds to it as such. When his other friends (including Teyla, Elizabeth and even Sam, so it's not just a male/female thing) tease him about his short-comings, he usually responds with snark, or just simply ignores them. But with Keller, he meekly tries to obey. He's acting differently with her, because she isn't just a friend, he's looking for something more. So when she keeps nagging/mocking him into change, and instead of responding like the arrogant, self-assured Rodney McKay we know, he keeps caving, it makes me cringe.
Third, I really REALLY don't agree with the idea that the rest of the team would have just rolled over when Rodney stood up and went, NO this is a really baaaad idea. Rodney gets that tone, and they listen. As recent as Prodigal, when Rodney tells John to stop, strange readings, and he immediately *does*, as do all the Marines. Except Lorne, who got the warning a little too late. Poor Lorne *smishes him*. And, seriously, if the writers HAD put John or Teyla or Ronon in Keller's place and they'd done the same thing, telling Rodney to sit back down when he's saying No, this is DANGEROUS, instead of say, calling the SGC, or making enough of a fuss that they had to be escorted out under guards or what not, then believe me, I'd be just as pissed at them and the writers.
Rodney's in a room, surrounded by peers that don't truly respect him, as she's already born witness. She's the ONLY one that knows what he does, how he's helped *save the galaxy*, how he's done more brilliant things than they can hope to dream of, but he can't tell any of them. She's the only one who knows he's had experience with this before and instead of support him in the face of everyone's ignorance, she tells him to back down. And she's WRONG. DEAD WRONG! The idiot almost destroys the planet, not to mention get them all killed, and if she had encouraged Rodney to stand his ground, argue it out with them, if she'd had faith in her "twoo wuv", then they all might have been spared the whole ordeal.
Of course she'd be bored there, Ronon/Teyla/John/Woolsey/Carson/Amelia/Torren/Lorne/Elizabeth would be bored too.
This one I didn't explain as well as I should of. It's not that I expect her to love physics as much as he does. Very few can (though it is one of the things that always made me think Rodney and Sam were rather adorable together, really). More, the point I was trying to make is that we know what they DON'T have in common, the medicine and physics, but they've never shown anything they DO share. When John and Rodney hang out together, we know, we SEE what they have in common, *why* they like to hang out together. Ditto with Rodney and Zelenka or Rodney and Sam (in both cases, they both love their physics oh so much). Other than that, apart from work, we don't see Rodney hanging out with many others. Except with Keller. But unlike the former, we are never given any indication of WHY they like hanging out together. What draws them together?
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