Me, I don't care which way it gets done, so long as workers get decent housing, primary education and healthcare.
It wn't happen, the west's capitalist tendency needs the stick of cheap imported labour to keep it's own lazy, reasonably well provided for, lazy buggers on their toes.
Wake up, people - this is an emergency! Solutions have been found, we just need the political will to implement them. we can talk about those in the comments.
*Cough, I live in a house (Hell most people here do) that was build by the factory owner (Cotton I'll guess) for his workers, having your landlord and your work provider as one and the same I don't think to be a very good idea (Unless of course one is a factory owner)
now see, back before this chap build homes, people worked at home producing expensive man-made cotton goods in their own homes and in their own time, then along came factories, machines, then they were forced to work for the mill owner in his time, then came machines and the Luddites and all went pear-shaped.
ten dollars a day
*Gasp, this global ecconomic crisis has hit them too hu? Last I heard they were working for $2 per day, Hell an old firm I worked for got better quality goods by shipping out a whole factory to china and paying just $5 per to Adults, and they still got a better quality and quantity of product than he got here in Blighty.
Re: Tied housing. Yes, i can see the problem that the boss might fire you if you go join a Union , or do something the boss does not like.
However, once workers have got houses, their kids may get a school and start to work to improve things. What we in England did in the 19th c entury, the third world has to try to do in the 21st - but I think they can manage this as much a e did. we can even give them a hand, whereas the British and european working classes did it alone.
we can even give them a hand, whereas the British and european working classes did it alone.
I doubt they "Did it alone", most "Fell" into needing food and shelter, the way most of these things were set up (Bourneville for example) were all for the benefit of the factory owner needing reliable staff, and if you built a workers village, with churches, grounds, employ a window tapper to knock on bedroom windows close to work time, build no pub, and you can pretty much control persuade your workers to toe the line.
True - and in Japan, most ppl will toe the line and identfy with the bosses. howevr, in europe, more enterprising folk wanted to shrug off feudalism and insist on buying their own homes, giving more control to themselves and less to their bosses.there is many a man up north who had to go down the pit, but swore that his sons would do well at school so they didn't have to work down the mines themselves.
Socail progress for the working class is not measured in months and year, but in generations. right now, some people have to start from where we were in this country at the end of the 18th century.
Me, I don't care which way it gets done, so long as workers get decent housing, primary education and healthcare.
It wn't happen, the west's capitalist tendency needs the stick of cheap imported labour to keep it's own lazy, reasonably well provided for, lazy buggers on their toes.
Wake up, people - this is an emergency! Solutions have been found, we just need the political will to implement them. we can talk about those in the comments.
*Cough, I live in a house (Hell most people here do) that was build by the factory owner (Cotton I'll guess) for his workers, having your landlord and your work provider as one and the same I don't think to be a very good idea (Unless of course one is a factory owner)
now see, back before this chap build homes, people worked at home producing expensive man-made cotton goods in their own homes and in their own time, then along came factories, machines, then they were forced to work for the mill owner in his time, then came machines and the Luddites and all went pear-shaped.
ten dollars a day
*Gasp, this global ecconomic crisis has hit them too hu? Last I heard they were working for $2 per day, Hell an old firm I worked for got better quality goods by shipping out a whole factory to china and paying just $5 per to Adults, and they still got a better quality and quantity of product than he got here in Blighty.
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However, once workers have got houses, their kids may get a school and start to work to improve things. What we in England did in the 19th c entury, the third world has to try to do in the 21st - but I think they can manage this as much a e did. we can even give them a hand, whereas the British and european working classes did it alone.
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I doubt they "Did it alone", most "Fell" into needing food and shelter, the way most of these things were set up (Bourneville for example) were all for the benefit of the factory owner needing reliable staff, and if you built a workers village, with churches, grounds, employ a window tapper to knock on bedroom windows close to work time, build no pub, and you can pretty much control persuade your workers to toe the line.
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howevr, in europe, more enterprising folk wanted to shrug off feudalism and insist on buying their own homes, giving more control to themselves and less to their bosses.there is many a man up north who had to go down the pit, but swore that his sons would do well at school so they didn't have to work down the mines themselves.
Socail progress for the working class is not measured in months and year, but in generations. right now, some people have to start from where we were in this country at the end of the 18th century.
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