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What I once thought was a blooper, may be a clue in Horcrux making.
Ok if you have seen my Voldemort's animagus theory, most of this will seem familiar... but this time I have a whole different purpose for using this same quote, So please bear with me for a minute. A quote from Dumbledore to Harry that I once thought was a blooper that JKR accidentally placed in the book. But now I'm not so sure that it was a blooper after all.... but instead, a tiny detail in Horcrux making.
Harry: "Even if he got something of Ravenclaws or Gryffindor's, that leaves a sixth Horcrux. ... Unless he got both?"
DD: "I don't think so, I think I know what the sixth Horcrux is. I wonder what you will say when I confess that I have Been curious for a while about the behaviour of the snake, Nagini?"
Harry: "The snake You can use animals as Horcuxes?"
DD: "Well it is inadvisable to do so, because to confide a part of your soul to something that can think and move for itself is obvioulsy a very risky business. However, if my calculations are correct, Voldemort was at least one Horcrux short of his goal of six when he entered your parents house with the intention of killing you."
"He seems to reserve the process of making Horcruxes for particulayly significant deaths. You certainly would have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincable. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death."
"As we know, he failed. After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux. She underlines the Slytherin connection, which enhances Lord Voldemort's mystique; I think he is perhaps as fond of her as he can be of anything; he certainly likes to keep her close, and he seems to have unusual amount of control over her, even for a Parceltongue."
*(506 HBP US version)
Dumbledore confesses that he's not quite sure what the 6th, and only Horcrux left is. He guesses Nagini because Voldemort used Nagini to kill "an old muggle man." (Frank Bryce) And Nagini's strange behavior. Dumbledore's reasons. DD is guessing an awful lot here; trying to fill in the blanks where the books tell something different. But what can we expect? DD was not there to witness this. He even admits this is only a guess so that he is not completely sure of his ideas. But this is something to think about.
But this whole discussion is about Nagini being a Horcrux... it's not my topic for this discussion. We learn in Book four (page 15 us version GOF), that Voldemort actually used his wand. But still Dumbledore being a man that really does his homework before even saying anything at all... He guesses that Voldemort "used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man," What if this is not a mistake in the book? I believe it's a clue, that was cleverly hidden, to let us know that you don't always have to use a wand, to do the killing, in order to make a Horcrux? Just reading around at different places, I have heard people ask if you always need a wand to do the killing. If this is a clue, it answers that question.
I really don't think that DD is ignorant of all there is to know about making horcruxes.. He knew enough to ban the subject at Hogwarts. He knew enough to make sure it was not available to look up in the school's library. Dumbledore to me does not seem to be the type to not learn about something half way before taking such lengths from removing such information from the school. Our next question will lead to other theories, that some have already mentioned... the question of How did DD know about them in the first place, since he doesn't study the Dark Arts? He had to have come across one before. My thoughts and others have mentioned possibly Grindelwald?
Ok if you have seen my Voldemort's animagus theory, most of this will seem familiar... but this time I have a whole different purpose for using this same quote, So please bear with me for a minute. A quote from Dumbledore to Harry that I once thought was a blooper that JKR accidentally placed in the book. But now I'm not so sure that it was a blooper after all.... but instead, a tiny detail in Horcrux making.
Harry: "Even if he got something of Ravenclaws or Gryffindor's, that leaves a sixth Horcrux. ... Unless he got both?"
DD: "I don't think so, I think I know what the sixth Horcrux is. I wonder what you will say when I confess that I have Been curious for a while about the behaviour of the snake, Nagini?"
Harry: "The snake You can use animals as Horcuxes?"
DD: "Well it is inadvisable to do so, because to confide a part of your soul to something that can think and move for itself is obvioulsy a very risky business. However, if my calculations are correct, Voldemort was at least one Horcrux short of his goal of six when he entered your parents house with the intention of killing you."
"He seems to reserve the process of making Horcruxes for particulayly significant deaths. You certainly would have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincable. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death."
"As we know, he failed. After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux. She underlines the Slytherin connection, which enhances Lord Voldemort's mystique; I think he is perhaps as fond of her as he can be of anything; he certainly likes to keep her close, and he seems to have unusual amount of control over her, even for a Parceltongue."
*(506 HBP US version)
Dumbledore confesses that he's not quite sure what the 6th, and only Horcrux left is. He guesses Nagini because Voldemort used Nagini to kill "an old muggle man." (Frank Bryce) And Nagini's strange behavior. Dumbledore's reasons. DD is guessing an awful lot here; trying to fill in the blanks where the books tell something different. But what can we expect? DD was not there to witness this. He even admits this is only a guess so that he is not completely sure of his ideas. But this is something to think about.
But this whole discussion is about Nagini being a Horcrux... it's not my topic for this discussion. We learn in Book four (page 15 us version GOF), that Voldemort actually used his wand. But still Dumbledore being a man that really does his homework before even saying anything at all... He guesses that Voldemort "used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man," What if this is not a mistake in the book? I believe it's a clue, that was cleverly hidden, to let us know that you don't always have to use a wand, to do the killing, in order to make a Horcrux? Just reading around at different places, I have heard people ask if you always need a wand to do the killing. If this is a clue, it answers that question.
I really don't think that DD is ignorant of all there is to know about making horcruxes.. He knew enough to ban the subject at Hogwarts. He knew enough to make sure it was not available to look up in the school's library. Dumbledore to me does not seem to be the type to not learn about something half way before taking such lengths from removing such information from the school. Our next question will lead to other theories, that some have already mentioned... the question of How did DD know about them in the first place, since he doesn't study the Dark Arts? He had to have come across one before. My thoughts and others have mentioned possibly Grindelwald?