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abnormalsanon April 23 2007, 11:37:33 UTC
grandiva1968 April 23 2007, 16:30:13 UTC


Totally.  There is a notion, for example, that doctors are being charitable to children in third-world countries by correcting severely cleft palates, but what that’s really about is bringing the kids into conformity with that notion of “normal” that would keep them from being socially ostracized in our cultures where such deviations are viewed as being repulsive; again, it’s about comparison to others rather than the essence of self, no?

(To be fair, there are some practical considerations with cleft palates, I know, but I tend to think that individuals can learn to adapt to some extent, and surgery in these cases would seem more functional though perhaps equally as unneccessary but for the cosmetic benefit all the same, though I may be talking out of my ass on that.)

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daisydumont April 23 2007, 14:21:30 UTC
i don't understand it either. there's a whole new barbie look after implantation, and it's so unattractive. i don't get why anyone would prefer that to what nature gave 'em. aside from, as you say, reconstruction or other medical necessity.

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grandiva1968 April 23 2007, 16:12:48 UTC


That’s definitely what I’m saying.

On some show or other - I forget what, because it was one of those occasions that the television was on for background purposes - they were talking to women who were getting augmentation who made a big deal that they were doing it to improve they way they felt about themselves, not to impress or attract men, and I was thinking to myself, “Why?”  I don’t understand what kind of body issues you can have about small breasts that aren’t a product of what fetishizing men expect of women.

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msmarlamae April 23 2007, 14:44:11 UTC
Well your question aas posed at first glance about large chested women in general, I think the real question is about the surgery choosers. However I'm gonna go with the first bit, as you already got a couple answers about the fake boobs.

I love my boobs, I love the curve of my body and the way my hips have as much flare as they can and still be legal. Not to mention sexy... something about the complete curvy archetype of womanhood. I'm not real femme in my thinking, or behavior.. so I adore the dichotomy of all this obvious feminity mixed with my butch tendancies.

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grandiva1968 April 23 2007, 16:21:59 UTC


Well, not exactly, but your perspective is certainly appreciated (I was hoping for it, in fact).

Women who have the large breasts (naturally or otherwise) merit significant attention from men, no?  What I don’t get, then, is why a women, taken out of the arena of “what men want” would be at all concerned about having large breasts or not.  As I understand it, large breasts can be more trouble than they’re worth for some women who come by them naturally, so women who would actually go to the expense of getting their perhaps not-so-large endowment augmented (with many of the same physical concerns at play) baffle me.

I can think of one woman that I know of who got breast enlargement here in Texas who did it for legitamate “professional reasons,” because she was a flat-chested actress who was tired of being cast as a teenaged girl over and over though she was well upwards of her mid-twenties.  Even that, though, smacks of patriarchy, the notion that a flat-chested woman is somehow not a woman, which points to the very types of comparison ( ... )

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msmarlamae April 23 2007, 17:50:55 UTC
BAH! I just had this well thought out post, full of big words and the like. Yet my computer thought fit to eat it ( ... )

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ninetinytrees April 23 2007, 14:53:04 UTC
Breasts are powerful. According to every bad image that's been fed into my head since I was girl, and possibly even an infant. Bigger breasts, more milk to feed your child. Power.

Just last night I was reading The Little House, during which time a formerly mousey type of wife surprised her husband by taking charge of him sexually, mounting him and brandishing her chest in his face, which he quite liked. She got off, climbed off, then went to sleep without a cuddle or another go round. Part of the text said discussed her satisfaction in "winning" that "round" over her mother-in-law (who was VERY domineering and ran the lot of them)- "At least that's one thing she can't do,".

I can admit, and it's buying into all the stereotypes we gals constantly battle, that I'm 1) a hypocrite about other women who have implants only because they want attention and not for reconstructive issues and 2) I finally have a nice set of larger breasts, which I got by eating a lot. I used to be sort of a stick, now I'm somewhat of a lump, -- and I don't ( ... )

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grandiva1968 April 23 2007, 16:39:03 UTC

Now, see, these comparative/competitive things are exactly what I’m talking about.  Absent those, they’re just feed sacks for your infants, and as long as they serve that intended purpose, I don’t think that size matters.  Of course, we don’t live in a world that is that basic; big boobs stopped meaning feeding babies generations ago.

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ninetinytrees April 24 2007, 13:39:07 UTC
Not for everyone. You'd be surprised at how many men are big on it for just that reason (whether they know it or not).

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