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[graeme_qewe]

To catch up quickly on the last week, then I've started reading the French Revolution book I bought, but I haven't gotten far in it. I haven't event reached the revolution part of the book, ha! I still have not attanded a Latin class. This is partly because I studied the guide to the subject, and it seems, to study Latin, you have to have an A-

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[gryphon3e]

Apparently england is concentrating on "useful" courses too.

Having said that as a consequence of the use of the word Scientist against anything remotely complicated...no one wants to become one....even though they make our country tick!!!

The science set of Math Chem Phys type courses are struggling to find takers. Apparently they are too hard?????

A degree was a degree in my day...how things must have changed.

Oh if you did a degree in American literature you only had 4 hours of lectures a week....but you had to read 5 "rubbish" books and write commentaries on each every week.

Where as I had 4 hours of lectures a day and 4 hours of lab work.

So instead of doing these hard subjects people are opting for Sports Science or Hotel Management, which you can do anywhere you want.

F*king stupid short sighted W*nkery.

As a country we can only expect to do well in the world markets in hi-tech subjects...not Sports Science

Did you know the University of Liverpool has a course on Sci Fi

And the library has the largest collection of Sci Fi books in Europe.
WTF can you do with a degree in sports science FFS.

Read John Ralson Saul for the beef on modern education

[fireghost]

Same problem with sciences here in NZ. Part of the problem is fees; part because decent-paying science jobs are few here. Many grads fuck off overseas and don't come back. Narrow bullshit courses like those ones you mention are hugely popular. There seems to be this perception that the only education worth having is one you've paid for.

Most of this shit, if we must have it, should be covered by apprenticeships.

You can get a diploma in rugby in Auckland, you know.

John Ralson Saul :-?

[gryphon3e]

It seems to me education is used as an excuse to NOT get into work. To prolong your carefree days...I don't blame anyone for wanting to do this.

But I am a big believer in apprenticeships too!!!!

Most graduate management trainees at 20+ need to have their arrogance thrashed out of them for the first few years of their working life.

"There seems to be this perception that the only education worth having is one you've paid for."

Not sure about that...though I know what you mean

However I am absolutely certain that education is wasted on students :-)

Learning as I do...about everything and anything that interests me, is much more fun than sitting exams anyway. And at least this way when i have learned what I want I can give up and trundle off to another subject

Re: John Ralson Saul :-?

[graeme_qewe]

I agree with you there. I have a friend, who seems to study all for the sake of studying. When she has taken exams in one thing, she always wonders, what subject at university should I go and follow now. Her exams seems to be strange jumps around various institutes, not relating to each other, to find something to study. Not because she desires to study it, but because she just seem to think, that to go on study with something is what there is to life. Hello! There's a world outside too. She's a good friend though, although Sevi doesn't like her. However for different reasons.

And don't say that education is wasted on students. I have enjoyed my studies and they have really changed (some might say "matured") me, and I don't think of myself from before those days, as being me, because I am changed so much.

Re: Read John Ralson Saul for the beef on modern education

[graeme_qewe]

Wow, I want a diploma in rugby, would be awesome!

[graeme_qewe]

hey, hey, hey. My whole intention was that people shouldn't only take notice of if there's work for them. Therefore I don't understand why you are so angry at people taking a degree where there isn't many jobs. So, I disagree with you

[gryphon3e]

Angry is not a good word.

Frustrated is better

It is a complete waste of resources for people to do BULLSHIT subjects as a degree.

They would be better off in an apprenticeship

[graeme_qewe]

who is to decide what is bullshit subjects? What about Greek, Roman, Latin, Religion, Philosophy classes? There aren't as much work for them, as there are students following them. Are they bullshit classes too?

[fireghost]

I call a course bullshit if it teaches the sort of skills you can learn on the job, or as an apprentice. They normally involve rote learning of facts to be applied to a single vocation.

I don't call Greek, Roman, Latin, Religion, and Philosophy classes bullshit because they teach you about the world and get you think, which is a skill you can apply everywhere.

[graeme_qewe]

but my association for skills you learn at the job. Then it is maturing, growing mentally and that kind of things. In other words, exactly what the university should be about, in my eyes.