miss havisham, in the flesh

Oct 18, 2006 14:30

i am miss havisham. charles dickens. great expectations. look it up ( Read more... )

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Fine katyajane October 19 2006, 16:01:04 UTC
Miss Havisham is an example of single-minded vengeance pursued destructively: both Miss Havisham and the people in her life suffer greatly because of her quest for revenge. Miss Havisham is completely unable to see that her actions are hurtful to Pip and Estella. She allows her disappointment at being jilted to ruin her life, thus giving the man who spurned her ultimate power over her. In her revenge, which destroys her life, she is like a child who hurts itself in its anger at someone else. She doesn't have relationships, she feeds off people. She wallows in self-pity. She never learns anthing or grows from what happened to her. Is this something you aspire to?

As for the note about Jenni, like I said at Frank's Place, your frienship doesn't stand a chance unless you both can see things from the other person's point of view. I think you've made your own shit-cake, but you seem to be enjoying it.

I'm sorry you're sick, and your car won't start (been there, it completely sucks). I'm sorry you're out of medicine and haven't been sleeping.

I'm so proud of you for giving up on emotionally-unavailable guy. He's not worth it anyway.

Now for the part you really won't like: If you want to cut, cut. I'm done being supportive despite my own feelings. I've told you not to, and it'll be ok, and you don't need that, and lean on your friends. You don't listen, so I'm done talking about it.

I love you too. I'm so glad we've been hanging out so much lately. It sucks that you're going to miss yoga. I hope you come back soon. I take it you're going home this weekend since you were here for the game. Drive carefully. Maybe I'll see you before you go. If not, I'll see you on Monday for Girl's Night.

My mom's a librarian for a high school. You have to get a masters degree to be one, so maybe when you graduate, you can take out some loans and go back to Library school. She went to Alabama. If you want, you can talk to her about it.

Ok, 2 things from your reply.
1. I'm your friend. That's who I am.
2. Jenni no more left you behind than you do to us every christmas and summer and weekend you go home. Life just gets in the way sometimes.

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Re: Fine gossamer_imp October 19 2006, 19:49:46 UTC
she does eventually get it, just before she dies. but all very good points. no, my admiration for the character of miss havisham is not an aspiration. i admire her as a character due to her complexity and the truth of her. she touches me. i feel dickins did an extraordinary thing in his creation of her. and yes, sometimes i deffinately do feel her pain and anger. and i am self-destructive. i admire her and relate to her.

i dont understand why i apear to be enjoying whats going on. that was not an impression i had any desire to give to anyone. however, it is not only i who has created this problem. it takes two to tango. or fight. or have a relationship. i agree that we would both have to see things from the others point of view. and as NEITHER of us seems to be willing to do that, nothing really can be done right now.

thankyou for your suppotive comments. yay a piece of happy.

thankyou for your permission. if i want to cut i will, and i do. if you dont see me as something to support, dont. that is a kind of support i dont need. and of course i cannot lean on my friends about that. you only support against your own wishes, it would now apear, and are tired of it. you cant simply tire of helping a loved one. fear of this very thing is why they dont turn to you everytime they need you (you as in people in general, not just you spicifically, and they as in the people with the problem, or me). this is the very reason i choose the glass over you guys. i dont want to hear how tired of it you are. how amazingly conditional that support is. and some of my "friends" simply dont have time to be leant on. just because i dont do what you want, or am scared to lose you, does not mean i dont listen.

i hope i can come back soon too. she left the yoga group today you know. maybe that means she wont be around for me to bother, and itll be ok. but for now, this week, its all just too much at once and i dont feel like putting myself into the lions den. plus i need to get an early start on going home anyway.

thanks for the info about your mom.

1.you're right. i suppose that does give you the right to voice your opinion even when i dont want you to.
2. i disagree. alot. i would explain, but i guess it doesnt matter now anyway. time to let it go. she has.

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