//That's precisely why I think it's not so much about double standards as Chloe seeing things more clearly in this case. I think she was too emotionally involved in Davis's situation to even consider the PZ as a viable option. Now that she knows how that ended, combined with the fact that she has a more third-person perspective on this situation, I don't find it hard to believe that she would suggest the PZ as a possible course of action.//
And I'd agree with you on this, if I felt that Chloe recognized this. As in, if she recognized that, "look, yes, I was into Davis, I had my judgement blinded by that, but it's a mistake I won't make again." Except that this is a stance Chloe has not, to this day, accepted. Right up until 'Doomsday', we see her sticking to her justification that she was doing it all for Clark, and only loved Jimmy, and felt nothing in 'that' way for Davis. Which, while yes, some of us as an audience get is BS, it's not an admission that has ever come from Chloe herself. And so in that sense, it felt like a double standard to me. Because if she was impartial then and impartial now and ::only:: coming at it with Clark as her main objective, then her principles either a)shouldn't so easily be awayed or b)she should concede she was wrong then, and has since seen the error of her previous call. Instead, we get none of this and just Chloe very adamantly conveying across her view wrt PZ, as if thats been her line of thinking all along. That's what smacks of double standards and flip flopping, to me.
//What bugged me more was actually Clark's reaction, which I found abrasive and OOC. I have enough problems with Chloe acting like a bitch with Clark. I don't need to see Clark reciprocating as well. I expect more from him.//
I agree with you on this though. Clark was abrasive. Like I mentioned in my review, the Chlark just did not work for me in this one. Neither were at their best with each other, and in fact brought out less than pleasant facets of each others personalities.
I'm frustrated by this because I feel like there's such a continuance of the lack of addressing this from the writers. They're consistently showing us that Chlark are at their most dysfunctional, but yet there are no signs whatsoever to bring that along to any sort of resolution.
Re: Part 2starry_dawnFebruary 21 2010, 13:34:48 UTC
Hmm, okay. I get what you're saying. I guess I've just been working under the assumption that Chloe realizes the mistake she made, even if she hasn't articulated it. Which, you're right, is pure fanwanking until we're told as much. I guess this is the only way I've been able to live with the entire Doomsday plot, so I've imbibed the wank completely, so much so that it sometimes doesn't occur to me that the show might not be running along those exact same lines. Sorry!
Like I mentioned in my review, the Chlark just did not work for me in this one. Neither were at their best with each other, and in fact brought out less than pleasant facets of each others personalities.
I think it was done solely for plot-furthering purposes - to get Clark to tell Chloe to protect his back, and for her to go off on Lois because of this - both of which were completely unnecessary except for the resolution it kinda sorta brought Clois in the end.
I'm frustrated by this because I feel like there's such a continuance of the lack of addressing this from the writers. They're consistently showing us that Chlark are at their most dysfunctional, but yet there are no signs whatsoever to bring that along to any sort of resolution.
ITA. Not only are we being denied a resolution, the argument itself isn't being articulated properly. Sometimes I really wonder what the hell this cold war is about. Why is Chloe so angry? Why is Clark annoyed? We got a few lines in the first episode, but while things have gotten pretty bad since then, we haven't really had either character talk about it beyond the usual "I have to save him from himself" and "You would never step up and do what needs to be done" garbage. Hell, if they're going to introduce discord into the only relationship that has had some semblance of functionality all these years (and I'm in no way against this notion), shouldn't we at least get a clearer picture of it?
//ITA. Not only are we being denied a resolution, the argument itself isn't being articulated properly. Sometimes I really wonder what the hell this cold war is about. Why is Chloe so angry? Why is Clark annoyed? We got a few lines in the first episode, but while things have gotten pretty bad since then, we haven't really had either character talk about it beyond the usual "I have to save him from himself" and "You would never step up and do what needs to be done" garbage. Hell, if they're going to introduce discord into the only relationship that has had some semblance of functionality all these years (and I'm in no way against this notion), shouldn't we at least get a clearer picture of it?//
I can actually see the reasons for the discord. There's a lot in S8 that has built up, bit by bit to where these two are now (and that'd be a whole other post now discussing that, heh) so that's not what I'm contesting, personally. My inherent problem with this remains that there seems to be no sign of any resolution on the horizon. And by resolution, yes, I do mean for these two to eventually talk it all out and get back to a better place with each other. Because while they may never regain the exact kind of closeness they once had, and while I may have my issues with Chloe, Chlark have been friends for ::way too long:: for things to continue like this. If it takes an ep of them really hashing out their differences, much like in RL sometimes this can lead to a place of better understanding and from that, a new place of friendship and closeness. May not be the same in type as before but at least it'll come with some mutual respect and care now, rather than taking each other for granted. My problem is that I don't know if the writers recognize the importance of this. Because it'll be a damn shame and dusservice to both characters if they don't.
And I'd agree with you on this, if I felt that Chloe recognized this. As in, if she recognized that, "look, yes, I was into Davis, I had my judgement blinded by that, but it's a mistake I won't make again." Except that this is a stance Chloe has not, to this day, accepted. Right up until 'Doomsday', we see her sticking to her justification that she was doing it all for Clark, and only loved Jimmy, and felt nothing in 'that' way for Davis. Which, while yes, some of us as an audience get is BS, it's not an admission that has ever come from Chloe herself. And so in that sense, it felt like a double standard to me. Because if she was impartial then and impartial now and ::only:: coming at it with Clark as her main objective, then her principles either a)shouldn't so easily be awayed or b)she should concede she was wrong then, and has since seen the error of her previous call. Instead, we get none of this and just Chloe very adamantly conveying across her view wrt PZ, as if thats been her line of thinking all along. That's what smacks of double standards and flip flopping, to me.
//What bugged me more was actually Clark's reaction, which I found abrasive and OOC. I have enough problems with Chloe acting like a bitch with Clark. I don't need to see Clark reciprocating as well. I expect more from him.//
I agree with you on this though. Clark was abrasive. Like I mentioned in my review, the Chlark just did not work for me in this one. Neither were at their best with each other, and in fact brought out less than pleasant facets of each others personalities.
I'm frustrated by this because I feel like there's such a continuance of the lack of addressing this from the writers. They're consistently showing us that Chlark are at their most dysfunctional, but yet there are no signs whatsoever to bring that along to any sort of resolution.
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Like I mentioned in my review, the Chlark just did not work for me in this one. Neither were at their best with each other, and in fact brought out less than pleasant facets of each others personalities.
I think it was done solely for plot-furthering purposes - to get Clark to tell Chloe to protect his back, and for her to go off on Lois because of this - both of which were completely unnecessary except for the resolution it kinda sorta brought Clois in the end.
I'm frustrated by this because I feel like there's such a continuance of the lack of addressing this from the writers. They're consistently showing us that Chlark are at their most dysfunctional, but yet there are no signs whatsoever to bring that along to any sort of resolution.
ITA. Not only are we being denied a resolution, the argument itself isn't being articulated properly. Sometimes I really wonder what the hell this cold war is about. Why is Chloe so angry? Why is Clark annoyed? We got a few lines in the first episode, but while things have gotten pretty bad since then, we haven't really had either character talk about it beyond the usual "I have to save him from himself" and "You would never step up and do what needs to be done" garbage. Hell, if they're going to introduce discord into the only relationship that has had some semblance of functionality all these years (and I'm in no way against this notion), shouldn't we at least get a clearer picture of it?
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I can actually see the reasons for the discord. There's a lot in S8 that has built up, bit by bit to where these two are now (and that'd be a whole other post now discussing that, heh) so that's not what I'm contesting, personally. My inherent problem with this remains that there seems to be no sign of any resolution on the horizon. And by resolution, yes, I do mean for these two to eventually talk it all out and get back to a better place with each other. Because while they may never regain the exact kind of closeness they once had, and while I may have my issues with Chloe, Chlark have been friends for ::way too long:: for things to continue like this. If it takes an ep of them really hashing out their differences, much like in RL sometimes this can lead to a place of better understanding and from that, a new place of friendship and closeness. May not be the same in type as before but at least it'll come with some mutual respect and care now, rather than taking each other for granted. My problem is that I don't know if the writers recognize the importance of this. Because it'll be a damn shame and dusservice to both characters if they don't.
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