Well, yes... as Andy so brilliantly put it... America is more misogynistic than racist. *cackle*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgjcgqFYP4 from what I gather actually had an effect. I think it scared people. When I saw it, I LAUGHED. It hadn't occurred to me that we teach young children about marriage in schools. Social indoctrination!
I have remarked often with Andy that because I grew up in New Hampshire, I have some very specific views that you probably wouldn't find in say, California public schools... let's face it, being in New England, they put a lot of emphasis on the American Revolution, and how much you should love your country.
I think we agree on a lot of things, but I take exception to using a Patrick Henry quote about oppression from a distant King and applying it to something that sadly, the majority VOTED FOR. I get nervous thinking about the Supreme Court deciding these matters, because I know the desire to bring up Roe v. Wade is still lurking in a lot of people's minds. I had hoped that since the decision has stood for so long, it would help to evolve our society, but it hasn't made a difference.
Actually, I take that back... from wikipedia... "The poll also showed majority support among those under 50 years of age, with 68 percent of 18 to 29 year olds favoring same-sex marriage. Among those 65 or older, support drops to 36 percent." That kind of social change takes time, and they've been talking about gay marriage in California since the 1970s.
Next up: physician assisted suicide. I see Washington passed that one during this election, but that is still only 2 states.
Listen Patrick Henry aside, my argument is still valid. In this instance I will substitute a quote by my second favorite Brit: "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Palmer made a pretty valid comment on my other post as well, specifically in regards to voter turn out. I have other qualms about the American voting and representation system as well but this is one of my major ones: Record voter turn out for this years election meant over 50% turnout. It is hard to claim that the "majority" voted for something when most times the majority of people dont even bother to vote.
I know, I shouldnt rail on the apparent apathy of the average American to make my point but it is a concern. What horrifies me is that there were probably people who this law directly affects that didnt vote. Im not sure what Im trying to say here so Ill just restate my thesis, a tried and true method: Denying the homosexual community a right (or privilege depending on how you view it) that you have, simply on the basis of your religion is tantamount to a similar group telling you that your right to worship as you choose is void because their religion is against it.
Atheists, as a whole, dont go around demanding that people stop being religious (though many do mock Theists). It just saddens me that people apparently have no problem with bigotry when it is relgiiously motivated.
Nick, just gave me the best example ever. I asked him why he is against gay marriage, as a joke. His answer (also a joke):"Because I think two guys having sex is gross."
Sadly, I find this answer more acceptable than "Because its against my religion." At least The former is honest. Not really any less ignorant but at least its probably the truth, for more people than will likely admit it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgjcgqFYP4 from what I gather actually had an effect. I think it scared people. When I saw it, I LAUGHED. It hadn't occurred to me that we teach young children about marriage in schools. Social indoctrination!
I have remarked often with Andy that because I grew up in New Hampshire, I have some very specific views that you probably wouldn't find in say, California public schools... let's face it, being in New England, they put a lot of emphasis on the American Revolution, and how much you should love your country.
I think we agree on a lot of things, but I take exception to using a Patrick Henry quote about oppression from a distant King and applying it to something that sadly, the majority VOTED FOR. I get nervous thinking about the Supreme Court deciding these matters, because I know the desire to bring up Roe v. Wade is still lurking in a lot of people's minds. I had hoped that since the decision has stood for so long, it would help to evolve our society, but it hasn't made a difference.
Actually, I take that back... from wikipedia... "The poll also showed majority support among those under 50 years of age, with 68 percent of 18 to 29 year olds favoring same-sex marriage. Among those 65 or older, support drops to 36 percent." That kind of social change takes time, and they've been talking about gay marriage in California since the 1970s.
Next up: physician assisted suicide. I see Washington passed that one during this election, but that is still only 2 states.
(and I miss you. we should chat.)
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In this instance I will substitute a quote by my second favorite Brit:
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Palmer made a pretty valid comment on my other post as well, specifically in regards to voter turn out. I have other qualms about the American voting and representation system as well but this is one of my major ones: Record voter turn out for this years election meant over 50% turnout. It is hard to claim that the "majority" voted for something when most times the majority of people dont even bother to vote.
I know, I shouldnt rail on the apparent apathy of the average American to make my point but it is a concern. What horrifies me is that there were probably people who this law directly affects that didnt vote.
Im not sure what Im trying to say here so Ill just restate my thesis, a tried and true method: Denying the homosexual community a right (or privilege depending on how you view it) that you have, simply on the basis of your religion is tantamount to a similar group telling you that your right to worship as you choose is void because their religion is against it.
Atheists, as a whole, dont go around demanding that people stop being religious (though many do mock Theists). It just saddens me that people apparently have no problem with bigotry when it is relgiiously motivated.
Nick, just gave me the best example ever. I asked him why he is against gay marriage, as a joke. His answer (also a joke):"Because I think two guys having sex is gross."
Sadly, I find this answer more acceptable than "Because its against my religion." At least The former is honest. Not really any less ignorant but at least its probably the truth, for more people than will likely admit it.
(and yes, I miss you too. call me sometime.)
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