So am I. It's funny to me that most of us that are criticizing her aren't even really bashing her or her fans and just calling it out on appropriation/inappropriateness and everyone who doesn't agree with us has to call us self centered, over indulgent, greedy, mean-spirited, etc etc. So lovely.
**shrugs** Sorry, i just find it hard to have sympathy for that type of personality. It goes against a lot i believe in.
One of my points is, that it doesn't, or SHOULD not matter if you find what she did somewhat inappropriate(I'm not saying you don't have the right to think that) The intentions behind it are FAR FAR MORE important. Again, or at least, they should be.
But if you choose to focus on the negative of it, then power to you. I feel like you are missing out.
To some, it does matter and intent is not enough or even the point. Sorry I don't think a straight white rich girl wearing a "Likes Girls" shirt for the love of the women in her life and labeling as support for the lgbt community is something that she should get so much praise for. Maybe she should have worn a "straight but not narrow" shirt or something. Appropriation is a bothersome thing for some. Pointing things out like this doesn't mean we are only looking at the negative. But I'm having trouble finding the positive anymore after repeatedly being berated for my criticisms.
It's so funny how often people say things like "need to get the fuck over themselves and that they enjoy being the victim" and then say things like "i'm not saying you don't have the right to think that" and "more power to you" when they get a disagreeing response.
But I'm having trouble finding the positive anymore after repeatedly being berated for my criticisms.
I hope you don't stray from your 'her intentions were good, but the execution was poor' to 'I'm now 100% against everything' because the former is as important imo.
I'm not changing my opinion on whether her intentions were good because that is a fact. Most of my negative thoughts overpowering the better ones are people's reactions and nothing to do with Dianna. She's a nice and cute girl.
Well, i would/could say, i think you ''need to get the fuck over yourself'' but that's hardly the best way to continue this discussion, right?
I just think, that in this day and age, we as a community need ALL the support we can get. It doesn't matter imo if Dianna ''knows what it's like to be one of us'' in a society and a world where it's still the standard that WE are all second class citizens, the fact that she made such a public and passionate display of support is fucking fantastic.
Look at the likes of Tracey Morgan, and how he uses his fame. And look at Dianna and how she uses hers.
Was it perfect? No. Could she have been less impulsive? Yes.
If ''intent'' is not enough for some people, then i don't know what to say. That's just alien to how i think. The same goes with Appropriate. This was hardly a Katy Perry like stunt.
But i don't think we will find any common ground here. Personality clash. You have your views, and i have mine.
Um...you wouldn't need to say "need to get the fuck over yourself" because you already did.
No one is saying that it's bad she was showing support and that she shouldn't have done anything or that it has had a bad impact or anything. We AGREE that we need all the support but there are other ways Dianna could have done it.
People keep bringing up Tracy Morgan in these discussions and I don't know why. Yes it was better than what he did. Congratulations? Are people mad because we get mad at Dianna and not at him? He's disgusting and we aren't saying anything like that about Dianna.
I wont continue on the intent argument because as you said we have our different opinions. My problem is mostly people thinking that people with the opposite view get called horrible names.
All of this. I really love Dianna and that she supports vocally the LGBT collective but not the way she did it. Well meaning doesn't do for bad execution most of the times. Neither making a big show of treating people how it must be done, like equals.
I'm also tired of seeing people saying that we - people who disagree - are mad she isn't a lesbian. I don't care about Agron's sexuality but it's not a bright move to put a T-shirt saying 'likes girls' in a very specific song like 'Born this way' where it can't pass as a feminist statement or simply LGTB support, it comes clearly about sexual orientation. It's like if I'd wear - pale white girl with pale white parents - a t-shirt saying 'I'm black'. Not the way of going against racism, black people would feel offended and would have all the right to be.
Also, I don't get all the 'she is really brave'. Why? Supporting gay people is what must be done nor brave. Brave is put that t-shirt on being a celebrity when you are really gay and you know you're going to face real criticism from industry - sadly - and that it could affect your job because of narrow minded people.
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One of my points is, that it doesn't, or SHOULD not matter if you find what she did somewhat inappropriate(I'm not saying you don't have the right to think that) The intentions behind it are FAR FAR MORE important. Again, or at least, they should be.
But if you choose to focus on the negative of it, then power to you. I feel like you are missing out.
I guess it's a cynical/positive thing.
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It's so funny how often people say things like "need to get the fuck over themselves and that they enjoy being the victim" and then say things like "i'm not saying you don't have the right to think that" and "more power to you" when they get a disagreeing response.
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I hope you don't stray from your 'her intentions were good, but the execution was poor' to 'I'm now 100% against everything' because the former is as important imo.
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I just think, that in this day and age, we as a community need ALL the support we can get. It doesn't matter imo if Dianna ''knows what it's like to be one of us'' in a society and a world where it's still the standard that WE are all second class citizens, the fact that she made such a public and passionate display of support is fucking fantastic.
Look at the likes of Tracey Morgan, and how he uses his fame. And look at Dianna and how she uses hers.
Was it perfect? No. Could she have been less impulsive? Yes.
If ''intent'' is not enough for some people, then i don't know what to say. That's just alien to how i think. The same goes with Appropriate. This was hardly a Katy Perry like stunt.
But i don't think we will find any common ground here. Personality clash. You have your views, and i have mine.
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No one is saying that it's bad she was showing support and that she shouldn't have done anything or that it has had a bad impact or anything. We AGREE that we need all the support but there are other ways Dianna could have done it.
People keep bringing up Tracy Morgan in these discussions and I don't know why. Yes it was better than what he did. Congratulations? Are people mad because we get mad at Dianna and not at him? He's disgusting and we aren't saying anything like that about Dianna.
I wont continue on the intent argument because as you said we have our different opinions. My problem is mostly people thinking that people with the opposite view get called horrible names.
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I'm also tired of seeing people saying that we - people who disagree - are mad she isn't a lesbian. I don't care about Agron's sexuality but it's not a bright move to put a T-shirt saying 'likes girls' in a very specific song like 'Born this way' where it can't pass as a feminist statement or simply LGTB support, it comes clearly about sexual orientation. It's like if I'd wear - pale white girl with pale white parents - a t-shirt saying 'I'm black'. Not the way of going against racism, black people would feel offended and would have all the right to be.
Also, I don't get all the 'she is really brave'. Why? Supporting gay people is what must be done nor brave. Brave is put that t-shirt on being a celebrity when you are really gay and you know you're going to face real criticism from industry - sadly - and that it could affect your job because of narrow minded people.
Sorry if it's long.
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HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA.
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