Unlike, apparently, everyone else in the world, I loved the second half of the first season. I also think the second season, thus far, has been fantastic. As far as I'm concerned, Glee hasn't lost anything. People had a few months to build up their expectations to something that a TV show can't (and has never, not even in the first 13) deliver.
Yes, the plot is inconsistent and occasionally they drop plot lines--they've always done that. The thing that continues to make Glee special is its unique humour, and the brilliant characters. Yes, the show occasionally pisses you off, but it sparks conversation and creates controversy, isn't that what a good show is supposed to do?
And on Gwyneth... I thought she did a fine job, but I hated the character. I think it was the worst episode of Glee to date, and bringing 'Holly Holiday' back is a tragic misuse of an otherwise awesome hour of television.
I'm waiting excitedly for the second half of this season. I have no doubt that it will be fabulous, just as Glee has always been. Even at it's worst, it's still better than most of the other stuff on TV.
Unlike, apparently, everyone else in the world, I loved the second half of the first season. I also think the second season, thus far, has been fantastic. As far as I'm concerned, Glee hasn't lost anything. People had a few months to build up their expectations to something that a TV show can't (and has never, not even in the first 13) deliver.
Yes, the plot is inconsistent and occasionally they drop plot lines--they've always done that. The thing that continues to make Glee special is its unique humour, and the brilliant characters. Yes, the show occasionally pisses you off, but it sparks conversation and creates controversy, isn't that what a good show is supposed to do?
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Can I join you in that group? Cause I pretty much feel the exact same way. Most of my fav episodes come from the B9 and S2 not the holy grail that some fans make the F13 out to be. To be honest a lot of the earlier episodes bored me. And before anyone jumps on me about being a Kurtsie and that's why I like S2 better, Preggers bored me to death. I have like, Kurtsie guilt, over that cause it's apparently the Kurtsie holy grail of an episode. But for me, bored me to tears sorry to say. -_-
Rewatching the whole S1 and the F10 of S2 I don't see any major difference in quailty. I do agree that the F13 was more consistant but it was also more ridiculous. Terri's storyline about stealing Quinn's baby is still, IMO, the more ridic thing the shows ever done. It made no sense, absolutely no sense in the least.
The show has always had it's problems, even the F13, but I do think RIB are trying to correct some mistakes with the writing. Or at least some of the fan compliants. They've spread out the song distrubition beautifully this year compared to last season. almost everyone gets at the very least a little bit of focus almost every episode. Where as last season a lot of the characters were heavily in the background.
God, I thought I was the only one who was bored by the front 13 including Preggers. Even the pilot wasn't the Holy Grail to me - it felt like a darker (though certainly funnier) High School Musical meets ragtag misfits with an inspiring teacher, with only Don't Stop having the moment of exhuberance and awesome that made me want to keep watching. You could see what was coming with the F13 at all times, the writing and characterizations were smoother but there was nothing that engaged me. Glee since then has been wildly uneven, but when it hits gold it is SOLID gold.
I totally thought I was the only one who felt this way too! lol
Yea the writing and characterizations were smoother in the F13 that I can freely admit to, but overall I was bored by it a lot of times. Again, even in Preggers which for me, was one of the most boring episodes in the first season. :(
The Emma/Will/Terri plot didn't interest me at all, so I didn't miss it in the B9. I didn't like Rachel and she was the lead, nor Puck. Finn I was a bit meh on the only character that actually engaged me was Quinn and her storyline. The others aren't worth mentioning cause all the other characters were pretty much non-entities in the F13 anyway.
Which is why all this 'kurt hummel show' business baffled me cause he's had a total of what, 3 episodes solely focused on him and his bullying storyline? Compared to Quinn's 13?
Glee has it's moments of pure ridic and awful sure, but when it hits gold, as you said, it hits it hard
Terri's storyline about stealing Quinn's baby is still, IMO, the more ridic thing the shows ever done. It made no sense, absolutely no sense in the least. ITA.
I think what I liked about the F13 was just the characters/friendships/general story about the Glee club coming together rather than anything at all to do with the actual plot. Like the bonding moments that resulted from Quinn being pregnant were more interesting to me than the actual fact that she was pregnant.
The characters seemed more likable to me and their choices seemed more understandable and gave me less whiplash. ...Except for Kurt, who is probably the only character I genuinely like more now since I've loved the development they've given him.
And likewise, I think in a way the bullying/Blaine arc is the first plot I have actually enjoyed just in terms of story. I mean, the pregnancy thing was ridiculous, the Jesse arc seemed like it was building to something but then it quickly just fell apart, and who's hooking up with who this week is of little interest to me if they don't bother developing any of these relationships.
I think overall the quality of the show was better as a whole in the F13...but TBH I'm probably enjoying s2 more just because I'm clinging to the fact that I'm actually invested in a plot they're doing for once.
And likewise, I think in a way the bullying/Blaine arc is the first plot I have actually enjoyed just in terms of story. I mean, the pregnancy thing was ridiculous, the Jesse arc seemed like it was building to something but then it quickly just fell apart, and who's hooking up with who this week is of little interest to me if they don't bother developing any of these relationships.
The pregnancy was ridic most of the time. Other than Quinn dealing with the downfall of it and the big reveal of it to Will, it was mostly treated like a joke. It completely took me out of the story cause it was simply to ridiclous I couldn't find it in myself to take it seriously, so I just took it as the joke it was and didn't grow attached to it.
The Jesse/Rachel/Shelby bit has a lot of great potential but then was horribly rushed and forced ruining the potential it had. :(
This year they at least seem to be pacing themselves with the Dalton/bullying/Blaine storyline and taking it seriously.
I agree in that I don't think it's really lost anything per se...but at the very least it's definitely tripped over it's own popularity and hype and fan input that they are listening to. The first 13 was not affected by anything because it was all filmed before it aired. The first 13, imo, had a lot of problems, and while it HAS improved for season two the same old schtick is going on for the most part and a season and a half of that gets grating for some fans and critics ESPECIALLY when RIB keep talking about how it's fixed. Less guest stars, less musical numbers, more character driven, more personal. Promises, Promises, Promises. Ryan has even said in a recent interview somewhere that he loves the back half of season 2 that will air next year because it goes back to the first 13 style. They're building up a hype for themselves and making it hard to please us and critics.
One thing I see in particular about what it might have lost is that the songs, while less, seem to have less and less to do with what is actually going on and don't really drive the story forward. And Glee seems to have become very confused at what it wants to be about and what genre it wants to be.
They're building up a hype for themselves and making it hard to please us and critics.
I do agree somewhat with what you're saying here. I do think RIB (or perhaps just RM) should do less talking overall and just let the show do the talking. However I've found that if fans build up an episode or the like in their heads that's on themselves. Me, I never allow myself to hold crazy high expectations for an episode. I always try to go into an episode with no bias and with a clean slate so I don't unfairly judge it.
If we let our expectations rule how we watch the show, I feel the show will always ultimately let us down no matter what RIB do. Cause everyone has different expectations and wants and it's impossible for RIB to please everyone. Also RM tends to think out loud, I don't think it's so much as false promises but rather that he's thinking out loud. He thinks Finn and Rachel will stay together all season long, but once in the writing room him, Ian, and Brad decide that's not the best course to go, for example.
I think the two go hand in hand, RIB shouldn't build up the show, and critics and fans shouldn't have unreachable high expectations of the show IMO
I hope I didn't come off as rude or snarky not my intent :(
Unlike, apparently, everyone else in the world, I loved the second half of the first season. I also think the second season, thus far, has been fantastic. As far as I'm concerned, Glee hasn't lost anything
Unlike, apparently, everyone else in the world, I loved the second half of the first season. I also think the second season, thus far, has been fantastic. As far as I'm concerned, Glee hasn't lost anything. People had a few months to build up their expectations to something that a TV show can't (and has never, not even in the first 13) deliver.
Yes, the plot is inconsistent and occasionally they drop plot lines--they've always done that. The thing that continues to make Glee special is its unique humour, and the brilliant characters. Yes, the show occasionally pisses you off, but it sparks conversation and creates controversy, isn't that what a good show is supposed to do?
And on Gwyneth... I thought she did a fine job, but I hated the character. I think it was the worst episode of Glee to date, and bringing 'Holly Holiday' back is a tragic misuse of an otherwise awesome hour of television.
I'm waiting excitedly for the second half of this season. I have no doubt that it will be fabulous, just as Glee has always been. Even at it's worst, it's still better than most of the other stuff on TV.
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Yes, the plot is inconsistent and occasionally they drop plot lines--they've always done that. The thing that continues to make Glee special is its unique humour, and the brilliant characters. Yes, the show occasionally pisses you off, but it sparks conversation and creates controversy, isn't that what a good show is supposed to do?
I wanna cuddle you right now for all of THIS
Can I join you in that group? Cause I pretty much feel the exact same way. Most of my fav episodes come from the B9 and S2 not the holy grail that some fans make the F13 out to be. To be honest a lot of the earlier episodes bored me. And before anyone jumps on me about being a Kurtsie and that's why I like S2 better, Preggers bored me to death. I have like, Kurtsie guilt, over that cause it's apparently the Kurtsie holy grail of an episode. But for me, bored me to tears sorry to say. -_-
Rewatching the whole S1 and the F10 of S2 I don't see any major difference in quailty. I do agree that the F13 was more consistant but it was also more ridiculous. Terri's storyline about stealing Quinn's baby is still, IMO, the more ridic thing the shows ever done. It made no sense, absolutely no sense in the least.
The show has always had it's problems, even the F13, but I do think RIB are trying to correct some mistakes with the writing. Or at least some of the fan compliants. They've spread out the song distrubition beautifully this year compared to last season. almost everyone gets at the very least a little bit of focus almost every episode. Where as last season a lot of the characters were heavily in the background.
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I loved the first 13, and I've loved everything since, but really, the quality of the show hasn't changed for me. It's just as great as ever :)
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Yea the writing and characterizations were smoother in the F13 that I can freely admit to, but overall I was bored by it a lot of times. Again, even in Preggers which for me, was one of the most boring episodes in the first season. :(
The Emma/Will/Terri plot didn't interest me at all, so I didn't miss it in the B9. I didn't like Rachel and she was the lead, nor Puck. Finn I was a bit meh on the only character that actually engaged me was Quinn and her storyline. The others aren't worth mentioning cause all the other characters were pretty much non-entities in the F13 anyway.
Which is why all this 'kurt hummel show' business baffled me cause he's had a total of what, 3 episodes solely focused on him and his bullying storyline? Compared to Quinn's 13?
Glee has it's moments of pure ridic and awful sure, but when it hits gold, as you said, it hits it hard
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ITA.
I think what I liked about the F13 was just the characters/friendships/general story about the Glee club coming together rather than anything at all to do with the actual plot. Like the bonding moments that resulted from Quinn being pregnant were more interesting to me than the actual fact that she was pregnant.
The characters seemed more likable to me and their choices seemed more understandable and gave me less whiplash.
...Except for Kurt, who is probably the only character I genuinely like more now since I've loved the development they've given him.
And likewise, I think in a way the bullying/Blaine arc is the first plot I have actually enjoyed just in terms of story.
I mean, the pregnancy thing was ridiculous, the Jesse arc seemed like it was building to something but then it quickly just fell apart, and who's hooking up with who this week is of little interest to me if they don't bother developing any of these relationships.
I think overall the quality of the show was better as a whole in the F13...but TBH I'm probably enjoying s2 more just because I'm clinging to the fact that I'm actually invested in a plot they're doing for once.
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*cough* I'll stop being all over this post now.
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I mean, the pregnancy thing was ridiculous, the Jesse arc seemed like it was building to something but then it quickly just fell apart, and who's hooking up with who this week is of little interest to me if they don't bother developing any of these relationships.
The pregnancy was ridic most of the time. Other than Quinn dealing with the downfall of it and the big reveal of it to Will, it was mostly treated like a joke. It completely took me out of the story cause it was simply to ridiclous I couldn't find it in myself to take it seriously, so I just took it as the joke it was and didn't grow attached to it.
The Jesse/Rachel/Shelby bit has a lot of great potential but then was horribly rushed and forced ruining the potential it had. :(
This year they at least seem to be pacing themselves with the Dalton/bullying/Blaine storyline and taking it seriously.
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One thing I see in particular about what it might have lost is that the songs, while less, seem to have less and less to do with what is actually going on and don't really drive the story forward. And Glee seems to have become very confused at what it wants to be about and what genre it wants to be.
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And Glee seems to have become very confused at what it wants to be about and what genre it wants to be.
Couldn't agree more with these two statements. I still love the show, but you're right, they need to stop making promises they don't intend to keep.
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I do agree somewhat with what you're saying here. I do think RIB (or perhaps just RM) should do less talking overall and just let the show do the talking. However I've found that if fans build up an episode or the like in their heads that's on themselves. Me, I never allow myself to hold crazy high expectations for an episode. I always try to go into an episode with no bias and with a clean slate so I don't unfairly judge it.
If we let our expectations rule how we watch the show, I feel the show will always ultimately let us down no matter what RIB do. Cause everyone has different expectations and wants and it's impossible for RIB to please everyone. Also RM tends to think out loud, I don't think it's so much as false promises but rather that he's thinking out loud. He thinks Finn and Rachel will stay together all season long, but once in the writing room him, Ian, and Brad decide that's not the best course to go, for example.
I think the two go hand in hand, RIB shouldn't build up the show, and critics and fans shouldn't have unreachable high expectations of the show IMO
I hope I didn't come off as rude or snarky not my intent :(
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you is my hero <3
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