Thanks! I think you're very right - Sam had to try things his way and fail in a spectacular fashion before we were going to see any change from him. After all, before S4, his methods had worked out quite nicely. For Sam, at least - other characters didn't really seem to appreciate it all the time. Why would he change if he'd generally been successful? I think you hit it right on the head when you say that it's easy to take the credit when it's a success and far different to take the blame when you fail.
I think we're going to see a more cautious Sam, one who thinks about the consequences for his actions and stops to consider what impact he might have before rushing off to take unilateral action. That's a huge change for his character and very much one that's for the better.
You raise a good point about Castiel as well. From his POV, I can see where he's already made amazing strides in terms of his own evolution. He went from complete, unquestioning loyalty and the ultimate understanding and peace of mind that comes with the realization that Heaven's will is just and he must abide by Heaven's will to the questioning being we have today, a character willing to take action and disregard orders. He's a creature that's literally thousands of years old, and he made the changes that he did within a matter of months. That's impressive! But you're right - he has further still to go.
I think he tried to change the focus of his absolute faith from Heaven to Dean and he got burned for it. Dean is human, and thus fallible. Dean isn't perfect. He's not the Second Coming. Right now, his focus is too narrow. It's all very sweet and heartwarming that he was able to defy Heaven and all its angels at Dean's request, but Dean never asked Castiel to do it for him; Dean was adamant that it was the right thing to do. And that was reason enough.
Castiel needs to come to that same conclusion, you're absolutely right. I think when he does, he'll be better able to own up to his own capability in this whole mess. That is, if he gets the time to do so - I've read absolutely no spoilers to this regard, but since when has Supernatural ever given the characters enough time to actually think things through before their secrets are spilled, usually in a dramatic and painful manner?
I think we're going to see a more cautious Sam, one who thinks about the consequences for his actions and stops to consider what impact he might have before rushing off to take unilateral action. That's a huge change for his character and very much one that's for the better.
You raise a good point about Castiel as well. From his POV, I can see where he's already made amazing strides in terms of his own evolution. He went from complete, unquestioning loyalty and the ultimate understanding and peace of mind that comes with the realization that Heaven's will is just and he must abide by Heaven's will to the questioning being we have today, a character willing to take action and disregard orders. He's a creature that's literally thousands of years old, and he made the changes that he did within a matter of months. That's impressive! But you're right - he has further still to go.
I think he tried to change the focus of his absolute faith from Heaven to Dean and he got burned for it. Dean is human, and thus fallible. Dean isn't perfect. He's not the Second Coming. Right now, his focus is too narrow. It's all very sweet and heartwarming that he was able to defy Heaven and all its angels at Dean's request, but Dean never asked Castiel to do it for him; Dean was adamant that it was the right thing to do. And that was reason enough.
Castiel needs to come to that same conclusion, you're absolutely right. I think when he does, he'll be better able to own up to his own capability in this whole mess. That is, if he gets the time to do so - I've read absolutely no spoilers to this regard, but since when has Supernatural ever given the characters enough time to actually think things through before their secrets are spilled, usually in a dramatic and painful manner?
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