Comments | gilesdancer: What is the basis for a constitutional ban on Gay Marriage?

gilesdancer

What is the basis for a constitutional ban on Gay Marriage?

Nov 08, 2004 08:59

I'm curious what the consensus is. I can't come up with a legitimate legal reason, so I’m left with the “moral” one, which I also don’t get. Is there a legal reason? What is the moral one based on other than “it’s just wrong”? What arguments can be made in support of the ban? Inquiring minds want to know…

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xkookykrysx November 8 2004, 07:29:35 UTC

I know that part of the reason for the ban is that it will impose more costs to companies, benefit-wise. If they have to start paying spousal benefits to more of their employees, it might cause some rumbling.

But here's another reason FOR gay marriage: hospital visitation rights and rights of medical treatment. Case in point: one half of a gay couple is in the hospital, in a coma, unable to speak for herself. Her family, that she's not seen in over 10 years and has not been in contact with her, has the right to see her and make her medical decisions instead of the patient's heartbroken partner of 12 years. Who wouldn't try to work for gay rights in this situation?

pc75056 November 8 2004, 08:25:19 UTC

Actually, most companies that I have ever worked for pass the cost of spousal insurance on to the employee. I have had to pay as much as double to add a spouse and double again for kids. Unless you work for a really nice company, they won't eat those costs... You will ( ... )

xkookykrysx November 8 2004, 09:44:18 UTC

Oh, I'm all for gay marriage, don't get me wrong. I just quoted two reasons that I've heard of related to why certain groups don't wish it to be passed. Hope that clarifies :)

kangitanka3 November 10 2004, 11:03:57 UTC

Love the Ed icon! :~)

Love,
~~Kt3, Cowboy Bebop Fan~~

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snow_lynx November 8 2004, 08:11:01 UTC

Personally, I and my family actually agree on this one:

It's not legal OR moral. It's financial.

If gay couples are allowed to be legally married, all the health insurance companies have to insure the spouse. And that's expensive.

And let's face it. This country is not Republican OR Democratic. It's a Capitalist Fascist nation :P

thebb73 November 8 2004, 08:43:33 UTC

PC is right. For the most part it would be a financial benifit for gay couples to be permitted to marry. So far the only economic arguement that I have heard that I cannot dispute yet is Social Security. If gay spouses become included in Social Secutirty benifits it cuts down on what is available for everyone else.

Still proves your point about money being more important to this country than anything else. Speaking in general terms of course.

snow_lynx November 8 2004, 08:45:54 UTC

How would it be a financial benefit?

thebb73 November 8 2004, 10:34:56 UTC

Read pc75056's responce above.

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My opinion... tigerlady1974 November 8 2004, 10:50:41 UTC

The ultra-conservatives don't want to admit that they can not separate religion from politics and use whatever excuse they can to prevent homosexuals from having legal unions. I think this was the primary reason why our president is still in office...too many voters couldn't separate religion from politics. *shrug*

I'm for gay marriage...for the same reasons PC listed above. My family, on the other hand, labels it a "huge sin" and, of course, wants to judge and punish the sinners instead of letting our Creator sort it out for himself/herself in the next level of existance.

Just my two pence...
-Tigerlady

Re: My opinion... gilesdancer November 8 2004, 11:00:51 UTC

Tigerlady...do you know why they consider it a sin? Do you have details, or is it just a blanket statement they make because they think its "wrong"?

If I may... renfairegirl03 November 8 2004, 11:15:25 UTC

I was raised southern Baptist, and from what I heard while I was there, they used biblical doctrine to back it up. I have also heard biblical doctrine supporting homosexual unions, so that's out the window as far as I am concerned. I think a lot of it has to do with tradition. It's the way things are, and that shouldn't be changed--at all. It's been my experience that the more conservative and/or evangelical a group of people are, the greater their fear of anything that may refute their carefully built faith structure. They don't like people challenging them; they like to think that they're the only ones who are right, the only ones who are saved, the only ones who know what's going on. Which is complete and utter crap.

Re: My opinion... tigerlady1974 November 8 2004, 11:50:42 UTC

Supposedly, it's written in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. Supposedly it was one of the primary sins that Sodom & Gomorrah indulged in and therefore helped distroy their own city.

But I am FAR from a biblical scholar. I guess I should read more... too much is hand fed you "based" on one verse and then "interpreted" for the masses to "understand" in my opinion.

Probably part of the reason why I got kicked out of my family's church for "living in sin" with my common law husband. LoL... thus the shot-gun wedding on Dec. 7th, then the official Planned wedding at faire like we had originally set to have.

*hug*

-TL

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Because... meamgrimlock November 8 2004, 10:59:32 UTC

...Little Billy needs a Mommy and a Daddy. Not two mommies or two daddies.

Hogwash.

Little Billy will be far better served with two parents, regardless of Gender, than he will be with one. Or none.

And, BTW, the Little Billy line from above is as near to a direct quote as I can remember it from an article I read on CNN.com. I believe it was from a member of the House or Senate, but it may have been from the head of some activist group.

Found one verse in NIV translation... tigerlady1974 November 8 2004, 12:23:22 UTC

1 Corinthians 6 ( ... )

Re: Found one verse in NIV translation... irishchild81 November 9 2004, 06:44:00 UTC

I'm screwed. lol

Re: Found one verse in NIV translation... irishchild81 November 9 2004, 11:36:44 UTC

True, but it also says that by accepting Christ's forgiveness we turn away from the path of sin and walk with him in the way that he wants us to.

Re: Found one verse in NIV translation... tigerlady1974 November 9 2004, 12:55:59 UTC

See - that's where I lose my way... I try really hard to live a good life - one that Christ would agree with, but I am way too human and way too honest in many respects. I am a lustful creature - even one that is contained by a monogomous relationship (which is what we chose)... I'm still lustful. So because I don't 100% turn away from sin - does that mean I'll go to "Hell"?

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