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I need to figure out something to do with Wednesday, because I'm too exhausted by the time I get out of class to do anything else except stare listlessly. I haven't actually left the lab yet because I can't muster up the energy to make myself get up- I'm seriously almost falling asleep, and it's not even 12 yet. What is this blasphemy. I also
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Sounds like he believes what he says? I'm just slightly offended that you don't think that I believe what I say :P I think that a lot of supposed male feminists tend think that being feminists is comprised of just letting a woman feel empowered, or having a 'strong' female character, ie. Moffat, and don't think much of it beyond that and then just continue to treat women without respect, or anything like that- they don't even think of it as behavior that is misogynistic, and defend their positions when it comes under attack.
The whole friendzone thing is really insidious, I think, because it is so encouraged relocate the locus of blame to someone else, and that when other male peers tend to be inclined to say 'Oh, it was her fault that heartless bitch' it creates a self perpetuating environment for for that sort of ideology. Plus, people in general I think, are less inclined to just step up and owe up to the fact that you the person screwed shit up, and that it's not her fault but your own fault. It's easier to have someone else be responsible, and since you really aren't ever indicated that you are the one responsible, it just keeps on going- only in this case, it's directed solely at females.
I need to stop going off on tangents, don't I? Or just make a post about it all and reference that.
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And LOL NO I BELIEVE YOU DO. I just mean that you actually follow through and don't say "I consider myself to be a feminist" and then turn around and call someone a slut or lapse into ~light-hearted~ comments that are ultimately misogynist. Or something! There's a lot that goes into it. I realized as I was typing that that it could sound really terrible, but trust me when I say I mean it in the most innocently legit way possible. XD You are very aware of things, and I appreciate that a lot.
And yes. See also: my own experience with the fucking friendzone. That whole concept can just go die in a fire. It's this ultimate passive aggression that is diverting blame. I find that the locus of blame is squarely shared, more often than not.
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The funny thing is that I almost never actually say that I'm a feminist or really think of those things as being feminist oriented actions. But to be fair to people, it is tricky to not make jokes like that, or to fall back on calling someone a slut or bitch, because huge portions of society freely do it without thinking anymore of it. And it is so easy to just write it off as a joke pr that you didn't really mean it, so that it doesn't have any impact, which just really goes to show how insidious misogyny is. It is good to joke about certain things, but the fact you are joking about it means that at some level, society as a whole accepts it as a fundamental truth. So I can understand why there might be people like that who flip sides because they aren't that aware, but that they're still at fault? Or society is at fault?
Haha, I don't know how aware I actually am relative to other people. I try to be aware of what I say, though.
I think that sometimes, the locus of blame may be shared, but in a lot of cases, it's usually more faulted to the guy? Because the whole friendzone results as the guy just, you know. Not being able to step up and accept that he messed up, or being unable to be nice when he's not getting what he wants, or just not being able to maintain a vested interest in a relationship when he won't get what he wants. It's just so conceited.
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