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Sorry im ravaging your live journal for things to respond to but im very dogmatic about a lot of issues and Jon (HC) told me to look at yours. Mine sucks and nobody listens and you like to respond.
This is one of my fav topics.
What I believed about morality in the past was that (and a form of what I believe now) without christianity there is no set standard of morality for people so any argument of morality cant be reasonable to an athiest. Now interchange the word christianity with religion. That is basically what I believe now.
My basic stance is nehilism or religion. Pick one and embrace it. Nehilism being in my opinion nothing matters because there is no eternity judging you. If you die who cares? If you molest a million little boys or poor acid on them or whatever what does it matter in the long run? The death penalty is not a consequence. Everything is an illusion to us. Morality is an illusion if there is not God to eternally damn us.
Seriously think about it. It might sound disturbing but but if someone blew up the world right now what would it matter since we are all so small and insignificant. I am not advocating anything like what im saying im just giving my point of veiw. I heard a debate with Alan Keyes and Alan Dershowits in wich Alan Keyes totally dominated but what Alan Dershowits said really stuck with me. He quoted a rabbi saying (paraphrase from memory);
"If you give food to a hungry man the only way it could be a truly rightious deed is if it was in total anonomisity. Pretend there is nobody watching you. No God no neighbors. If you know in your heart you would be totally selfless but for no reward than the deed is truly kindness." That is a great example of how a nehilistic person could have morals. There is a standard of morals for everyone... legislation. Although it all comes back to my view that everything is nehilistic without religion. If religion is wrong nehilism is right.
Seriously consider a life without consequences. Consequences in the biggest sense available is God. Without God there is only consequences that people incur on you. Who cares in the long run. When you die in an existense without God nothing you did in your life matters. You could leave a legacy and whatever but it would inpact maybe a hundred years of people on earth. What a miniscule thing. If you live to be five or die while being born it doesnt matter.
The illusion we create for ourselves of pleasure and fullfillment is baseless without eternity for us. I am not preaching im just writing about the crossroads my life is at. Im not trying to say "Gods way or nothingness" although that is maybe what im saying. No preaching here no ulterior motive.
My concluson. Homosexuality is not wrong, abortion is not wrong, murder is not wrong, rape is not wrong, torture is not wrong, but neither are they right. It doesnt matter................................... unless there is a God.
This is one of my fav topics.
What I believed about morality in the past was that (and a form of what I believe now) without christianity there is no set standard of morality for people so any argument of morality cant be reasonable to an athiest. Now interchange the word christianity with religion. That is basically what I believe now.
My basic stance is nehilism or religion. Pick one and embrace it. Nehilism being in my opinion nothing matters because there is no eternity judging you. If you die who cares? If you molest a million little boys or poor acid on them or whatever what does it matter in the long run? The death penalty is not a consequence. Everything is an illusion to us. Morality is an illusion if there is not God to eternally damn us.
Seriously think about it. It might sound disturbing but but if someone blew up the world right now what would it matter since we are all so small and insignificant. I am not advocating anything like what im saying im just giving my point of veiw. I heard a debate with Alan Keyes and Alan Dershowits in wich Alan Keyes totally dominated but what Alan Dershowits said really stuck with me. He quoted a rabbi saying (paraphrase from memory);
"If you give food to a hungry man the only way it could be a truly rightious deed is if it was in total anonomisity. Pretend there is nobody watching you. No God no neighbors. If you know in your heart you would be totally selfless but for no reward than the deed is truly kindness." That is a great example of how a nehilistic person could have morals. There is a standard of morals for everyone... legislation. Although it all comes back to my view that everything is nehilistic without religion. If religion is wrong nehilism is right.
Seriously consider a life without consequences. Consequences in the biggest sense available is God. Without God there is only consequences that people incur on you. Who cares in the long run. When you die in an existense without God nothing you did in your life matters. You could leave a legacy and whatever but it would inpact maybe a hundred years of people on earth. What a miniscule thing. If you live to be five or die while being born it doesnt matter.
The illusion we create for ourselves of pleasure and fullfillment is baseless without eternity for us. I am not preaching im just writing about the crossroads my life is at. Im not trying to say "Gods way or nothingness" although that is maybe what im saying. No preaching here no ulterior motive.
My concluson. Homosexuality is not wrong, abortion is not wrong, murder is not wrong, rape is not wrong, torture is not wrong, but neither are they right. It doesnt matter................................... unless there is a God.