Im not a Christian anymore Neither am I an Athiest
I went to church last Sunday hoping that maybe ive just been away from it way too long. I havent. People have the same old explanations to the same old arguments they think im making. Amy was sort of crying begging for the preacher to say something that would change my mind. The preacher gave me one straw man after another. He constructed popular athiest arguments but never touched on what I was talking about. I ask the reason for faith, he states there is none. People dont arbitrarily put their Faith into things do they?
So I do have a few questions about christianity that I cannot find answers to myself.
1. Is omnipotence possible? Can God create a contradiction in reality? My little brother tried to answer this question unsuccesfully. He evaded answering but kept pointing out that God's reality might be different than our own. Would God be able to create a contradiction in the reality he created for us? This might not be a valid question if you say that God does not exist in our reality so the words we use and the concepts we form have no meaning to the concepts in Gods reality. If that is true then God does not exist in our reality and can have not effect on entities in our reality. Work with me... I am sort of thinking as I go.
2. Is God Omnipotent? If he is you have to deal with the above question. If he isnt then their are some large implications on the accuracy of the bible.
3. Is God Omniscient? If he is can Free Will exist? If God knows everything then he must know who goes to hell and who goes to heaven. If he knows this he wouldve know this before he created us. If he created people knowing that they are going to Hell what does that say about Gods character? Is he sadistic?
4. Did God create evil? If God is omnipotent and omniscient than he must know exactly what he is creating when he is creating it. Nobody can claim that God created an object, a person, or an entity without knowing that it will be evil. Evil in the religious sense being defined as anything going against Gods will. So that brings us to another question; is all this shit we have to deal with on earth Gods will? Is a little girl being raped molested and killed Gods will? Are torture chambers Gods will? Christians are reassured that all this crap is temporary and that they should look above to God while going through the bitter things life entails. In the end we go to heaven right? If we falsify christianity slightly and say that everyone is going to heaven that might make this torturous life on earth better and the concept of God believable but; the fact of the matter is that mainstream christianity is against that concept and so is the bible.
5. Is God Omnibenevolent? Is God Love? If God is love and God is Omnipotent and Omniscient then God knowingly created evil while being all Love. Out of love spawns everything evil. Is evil necessary for free will? Did God say one day "I want free will so evil must exist."? You would have to somehow say that God is not omnipotent to fathomably believe in the concept of God. You would have to redefine a lot of what the bible says. You wouldnt be able to trust the bible.
6. Was Gods original creation perfect? This is key to seeing why evil is not necessary and why free will being the cause for everything evil is an invalid argument. What is the point of eating in the Garden of Eden? People were made to be immortal? If people were made to be immortal would it be like some sort of Highlander kind of existence except without evil? Was Adam and Eves anotomy some how different and made for immortality? So Adam and Eve ate the fruit ehich gave them knowlege of good and evil. They ate the fruit even though they had no need for food but for some reason God gave them taste buds. Taste buds are sort of a survival evolvement for us but for Adam and Eve they would be useless. They ate the fruit without the knowlege of Good and Evil. Was the eating of the fruit good or evil? Adam and Eve would not have known that defying God was Good or Evil since they had no concept of good or evil yet God expected them not to eat the fruit? Was this all planned so they would eat the fruit? That would be like God not giving somebody depth perception and making them navigate a forest.
7. Do I have free will? Free Will is a big question when it comes to God. Free Will seems to justify what seems to every mans standard to be an evil God. Of course I am going with the assumption that my standard of evil is valid. I think eternal death and damnation for an individual is evil if forced upon us. Yet it isnt forced upon us. It is up to us right? The omnipotent, omniscient, oimnibenevolent God of christianity gives us the choice, knowing what choice we will make, knowing he made us and placed us in a world that would help us make this very choice the way we do, and claims it is an actual choice. It is a gift given to us that all we have to do is accept. If we dont accept we go straight to hell dont pass go dont collect 200 dollars. Its called Free Will and God knows exactly how Free Will will play out. He always has. He knows he created you just for hell or just for heaven. The heaven bound are the elect while the hell bound are the infidels who couldve been the elect, or could they have? If you are an elect somebody previous to you must have made you or elected you. How is this free will?
C.S. Lewis says we are not made for this planet. That the emptiness people feel inside is the longing for a world other than our own. He also claims our morality is somehow intrinsicly based on a higher morality. How does he know all this? He feels it. Knowlege to him is intrinsic. People are bestowed with emotions that point towards a God. Im sorry C.S. Lewis but this is a very bad argument. Most emotions are based on reality and survival. Some are based on irrationality. Dieing for another human being for no reason is irrational. Making somebody die for you is also wrong but that is not based on any morality God has bestowed upon mankind.
A better argument for morality would be that which is based on life not death. Living and prospering being a higher moral calling than undue sacrafice and suffering. Getting up on your feet to make something of your life and not blaming your failures on Gods will or suffering for the sake of being close to God. Things that help you live and prosper are moral while things that kill are immoral. A soldier dieing because of some vague indirect threat would be an immoral act of a soldier. Death being imminent or freedom being breached would be reasons to risk your life. Instead of this Gospel of death that kings use to send lives to their end without question we should have a gospel of life in which we realize that this one is it. God does not exist. Do not waist your life on him.
Pascal seemed to be a rational human being. When threated with what seemed like eternal death he chose to evade his rationality and wage his life on God. He decided that even if God didnt exist he did not lose anything while if he does and he didnt believe he would go to hell. He did not want to go to hell so he chose to believe.
The pastor at the church told me that if somebody believes in God just so they wont go to hell that would be wrong. I respectfully disagree with that. Belief in God just to not go to hell is the only reason one should have to believe in God. Can anyone really say they love God? I never felt love for God. Ive been very emotional for God at times during certain emotional events. Ive felt guilty because of God plenty of times. Ive broken down in private because of the magnitude of the sins I have commited and how guilty that made me feel.
I tell you God is not real. God is real only in the sense that he, although non existant, controls you mentally. He is the God of guilt. He is the God of justified treachary. He is the God of justified death not only of kings and leaders but of individuals. He gives soldiers the false confidence they need to go and die. God justifies poverty and enables poverty to thrive.
There is still so much more to say. I am not an Agnostic. I am an athiest. An angry athiest but a pleasant person. God will soon not be discussable with me. I am moving past this phase on to new things. If you want to respond do it soon because I am quickly becoming tired of the same responses with the same evasions of reason.
If you agree with me and if you value similar things with me I encourage you to get in touch with me. Georgeme89@yahoo.com
So I do have a few questions about christianity that I cannot find answers to myself.
1. Is omnipotence possible? Can God create a contradiction in reality? My little brother tried to answer this question unsuccesfully. He evaded answering but kept pointing out that God's reality might be different than our own. Would God be able to create a contradiction in the reality he created for us? This might not be a valid question if you say that God does not exist in our reality so the words we use and the concepts we form have no meaning to the concepts in Gods reality. If that is true then God does not exist in our reality and can have not effect on entities in our reality. Work with me... I am sort of thinking as I go.
2. Is God Omnipotent? If he is you have to deal with the above question. If he isnt then their are some large implications on the accuracy of the bible.
3. Is God Omniscient? If he is can Free Will exist? If God knows everything then he must know who goes to hell and who goes to heaven. If he knows this he wouldve know this before he created us. If he created people knowing that they are going to Hell what does that say about Gods character? Is he sadistic?
4. Did God create evil? If God is omnipotent and omniscient than he must know exactly what he is creating when he is creating it. Nobody can claim that God created an object, a person, or an entity without knowing that it will be evil. Evil in the religious sense being defined as anything going against Gods will. So that brings us to another question; is all this shit we have to deal with on earth Gods will? Is a little girl being raped molested and killed Gods will? Are torture chambers Gods will? Christians are reassured that all this crap is temporary and that they should look above to God while going through the bitter things life entails. In the end we go to heaven right? If we falsify christianity slightly and say that everyone is going to heaven that might make this torturous life on earth better and the concept of God believable but; the fact of the matter is that mainstream christianity is against that concept and so is the bible.
5. Is God Omnibenevolent? Is God Love? If God is love and God is Omnipotent and Omniscient then God knowingly created evil while being all Love. Out of love spawns everything evil. Is evil necessary for free will? Did God say one day "I want free will so evil must exist."? You would have to somehow say that God is not omnipotent to fathomably believe in the concept of God. You would have to redefine a lot of what the bible says. You wouldnt be able to trust the bible.
6. Was Gods original creation perfect? This is key to seeing why evil is not necessary and why free will being the cause for everything evil is an invalid argument. What is the point of eating in the Garden of Eden? People were made to be immortal? If people were made to be immortal would it be like some sort of Highlander kind of existence except without evil? Was Adam and Eves anotomy some how different and made for immortality? So Adam and Eve ate the fruit ehich gave them knowlege of good and evil. They ate the fruit even though they had no need for food but for some reason God gave them taste buds. Taste buds are sort of a survival evolvement for us but for Adam and Eve they would be useless. They ate the fruit without the knowlege of Good and Evil. Was the eating of the fruit good or evil? Adam and Eve would not have known that defying God was Good or Evil since they had no concept of good or evil yet God expected them not to eat the fruit? Was this all planned so they would eat the fruit? That would be like God not giving somebody depth perception and making them navigate a forest.
7. Do I have free will? Free Will is a big question when it comes to God. Free Will seems to justify what seems to every mans standard to be an evil God. Of course I am going with the assumption that my standard of evil is valid. I think eternal death and damnation for an individual is evil if forced upon us. Yet it isnt forced upon us. It is up to us right? The omnipotent, omniscient, oimnibenevolent God of christianity gives us the choice, knowing what choice we will make, knowing he made us and placed us in a world that would help us make this very choice the way we do, and claims it is an actual choice. It is a gift given to us that all we have to do is accept. If we dont accept we go straight to hell dont pass go dont collect 200 dollars. Its called Free Will and God knows exactly how Free Will will play out. He always has. He knows he created you just for hell or just for heaven. The heaven bound are the elect while the hell bound are the infidels who couldve been the elect, or could they have? If you are an elect somebody previous to you must have made you or elected you. How is this free will?
C.S. Lewis says we are not made for this planet. That the emptiness people feel inside is the longing for a world other than our own. He also claims our morality is somehow intrinsicly based on a higher morality. How does he know all this? He feels it. Knowlege to him is intrinsic. People are bestowed with emotions that point towards a God. Im sorry C.S. Lewis but this is a very bad argument. Most emotions are based on reality and survival. Some are based on irrationality. Dieing for another human being for no reason is irrational. Making somebody die for you is also wrong but that is not based on any morality God has bestowed upon mankind.
A better argument for morality would be that which is based on life not death. Living and prospering being a higher moral calling than undue sacrafice and suffering. Getting up on your feet to make something of your life and not blaming your failures on Gods will or suffering for the sake of being close to God. Things that help you live and prosper are moral while things that kill are immoral. A soldier dieing because of some vague indirect threat would be an immoral act of a soldier. Death being imminent or freedom being breached would be reasons to risk your life. Instead of this Gospel of death that kings use to send lives to their end without question we should have a gospel of life in which we realize that this one is it. God does not exist. Do not waist your life on him.
Pascal seemed to be a rational human being. When threated with what seemed like eternal death he chose to evade his rationality and wage his life on God. He decided that even if God didnt exist he did not lose anything while if he does and he didnt believe he would go to hell. He did not want to go to hell so he chose to believe.
The pastor at the church told me that if somebody believes in God just so they wont go to hell that would be wrong. I respectfully disagree with that. Belief in God just to not go to hell is the only reason one should have to believe in God. Can anyone really say they love God? I never felt love for God. Ive been very emotional for God at times during certain emotional events. Ive felt guilty because of God plenty of times. Ive broken down in private because of the magnitude of the sins I have commited and how guilty that made me feel.
I tell you God is not real. God is real only in the sense that he, although non existant, controls you mentally. He is the God of guilt. He is the God of justified treachary. He is the God of justified death not only of kings and leaders but of individuals. He gives soldiers the false confidence they need to go and die. God justifies poverty and enables poverty to thrive.
There is still so much more to say. I am not an Agnostic. I am an athiest. An angry athiest but a pleasant person. God will soon not be discussable with me. I am moving past this phase on to new things. If you want to respond do it soon because I am quickly becoming tired of the same responses with the same evasions of reason.
If you agree with me and if you value similar things with me I encourage you to get in touch with me. Georgeme89@yahoo.com