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TV Commentary:
Buffy- Okay, not technically a TV show anymore, but they do refer to the comic as Season 8 so close enough. Okay, I thought I missed something with Buffy flying, but I forgot the end of last issue after she got knocked out and I guess left for dead, when she came to she was in the air? But I guess what threw me off is she came back and no one was all, "You're alive and fine!"
But they finally address the Xander/Buffy/Dawn thing that's been going on. It definitely is slightly weird they're going there with Dawn and Xander, given she's been crushing on him since she was a kid. I mean, she's definitely of age now, and there's only a six year age difference at most if you think about it (well, from her apparent age, not when she came into existence). So Buffy reveals her feelings for Xander, and I guess Xander is kinda mad because he thinks its because she saw him kissing Dawn, even though technically she was on her way to reveal her feelings for him when she saw them. But he also has a point, too little, too late. And now she's made things all uncomfortable and awkward. But it sounds like they're gonna try and be cool.
Dollhouse- So it does look like the world of Epitaph One is coming to fruition. But did they ever show it on Fox? Won't people who liked the show, but not enough to buy the DVDs and/or check out Epitaph One somehow be all confused? Or will Fox do a two hour special of it and the finale?
It sounds like there are complaints about the whole Boyd reveal, like why he put her through all that, and how he ended up being more crazy than Machiavellian genius. Its a little bit of a stretch about how they determined she had sort of anti-imprint anti-bodies. Like them being the world's foremost seller/developer of medical testing equipment and medical research and having access to so many medical records I can believe. But out of those millions of records, how did they determine she'd be resistant to the imprinting. Were they actively looking for a vaccine even then, even though they hadn't yet reached the remote imprinting anyone point yet, because as they said, once the tech was invented, that was the route things were going?
But I come to accept that they somehow knew. As for people complaining why did they do the whole Dollhouse thing if they just need her spinal fluid. Well, for one thing, even though they discovered she'd be resistant, I figure the Dollhouse was like testing to see the limits of that resistance. That and the multiple imprints built up the anti-bodies in her spinal fluid. Like I would think they'd just strap her to some machine, constantly imprint her to get the anti-bodies to continually develop, and extract them.
But that seems to fly in the face of the faux-eternal life thing the imprinting is capable of. Like Boyd imprints himself, so he's real amongst a world of made-up people. Is he just protecting himself, and he doesn't necessarily believe he'll be the one who turns the rest of the world into dolls and be in charge, just that he knows the tech will lead that direction by its very existence? Because if it is so he can be real over his kingdom of people crafted to be whoever he wants, what happens when he gets old? I would think he'd want to live on. But he can't protect a copy with the vaccine, because wouldn't that make it possible for the person he's imprinting into to resist?
And even with Caroline being special, then how does that explain Mellie breaking out of her assassin mode to kill herself so she wouldn't kill Ballard, or the Priya-Tony stuff? It sounds like people have some resistance and can overcome imprinting even without the Echo-vaccine. And upgraded Tony, how is that really him? I thought you couldn't actually modify a "real person" like that, it wouldn't be actually them. Like when he was telling Priya he couldn't just erase the memory of her killing that guy, because then she wouldn't be "her". I thought that meant she'd really be a copy of herself, slightly modified, but it wouldn't be the real her. But that's still screwy, its like with Helo and Wesley. Well, Wesley had a significant personality alteration, and you could say Helo did also with him losing his loving Echo-ness, but if its them in their body, how is that not them? Unless you liken imprints to a soul, and the copy is a soul similar to yours but not you, so you're just sitting in a wedge somewhere. But how is the wedge really you though? If you can make backups of wedges, that implies those are copies also. So its almost like you die when you go through the doll process, and being "restored" is just putting this unmodified copy of your soul into you. Its not the same "consciousness" as it were, even though its your body and it has all your memories. Eh, the whole concept is definitely a huge mind-frak with all sorts of philosophical implications.
And what's up with the Clyde copies being evil? Like Clyde sounded like he was a good guy, but did Boyd modify the Clyde imprint to make it more amenable to continue pursuit of this technology, which made him evil? Or is it elements of the imprint took on characteristics of the imprinted, and one of the imprinted was kinda a dick, and it made a copy of itself, and that turned the new Clyde evil? Because when he was fighting Echo as Whiskey, he's all, "I don't care what happens to this body, there are many copies of me!" (how cylon-ish!), implying at some point his copies became cool with what his original was not.
In any case, isn't it kinda effed up in the end that they made doll Boyd go all suicide bomber-y? As some people on the boards brought up, its like making a kid blow himself up. Yeah, Boyd did some evil shit, but that thing they got to blow itself up wasn't Boyd really.
And the whole VicTopher thing, it sounds like the most insane backup plan ever, and there didn't seem to be time for Topher to think it through and imprint it. I assume after Boyd showed up and drugged Echaroline and Topher came through, they had to leave really fast. So 1) how did he immediately think after seeing Echo/Caroline's reaction, that it might be the Priya thing rather than a legitimate psyche problem, like they were expecting? 2) I assume Boyd would be watching him, when would Topher have had a chance to load up the chair with himself.
And even that's screwy. So, his backup plan assumes 1) Tony and Priya came back to the Dollhouse any time soon, 2) they'd be crazy enough to sit in the chair and upload on the word of a note that just says "press me". It worked out, but there were a lot of illogical assumptions there going on on both sides!
Owel, I'm definitely curious to see how this all ends, if they save the world. Though I think at this point, even if they restore everybody to "themselves", don't you now have billions of people who live in a world that has essentially fallen apart? So wouldn't fighting and strife begin anew? I mean, it would be ideal if everyone would come back and strive to rebuild society, but surely you'd have tons of people who'll want to grab power for themselves in this situation. The apocalypse has still happened, but you've basically traded all the crazies who don't care the world has fallen apart for real people who'll prolly be all upset to wake up in such a world!
Buffy- Okay, not technically a TV show anymore, but they do refer to the comic as Season 8 so close enough. Okay, I thought I missed something with Buffy flying, but I forgot the end of last issue after she got knocked out and I guess left for dead, when she came to she was in the air? But I guess what threw me off is she came back and no one was all, "You're alive and fine!"
But they finally address the Xander/Buffy/Dawn thing that's been going on. It definitely is slightly weird they're going there with Dawn and Xander, given she's been crushing on him since she was a kid. I mean, she's definitely of age now, and there's only a six year age difference at most if you think about it (well, from her apparent age, not when she came into existence). So Buffy reveals her feelings for Xander, and I guess Xander is kinda mad because he thinks its because she saw him kissing Dawn, even though technically she was on her way to reveal her feelings for him when she saw them. But he also has a point, too little, too late. And now she's made things all uncomfortable and awkward. But it sounds like they're gonna try and be cool.
Dollhouse- So it does look like the world of Epitaph One is coming to fruition. But did they ever show it on Fox? Won't people who liked the show, but not enough to buy the DVDs and/or check out Epitaph One somehow be all confused? Or will Fox do a two hour special of it and the finale?
It sounds like there are complaints about the whole Boyd reveal, like why he put her through all that, and how he ended up being more crazy than Machiavellian genius. Its a little bit of a stretch about how they determined she had sort of anti-imprint anti-bodies. Like them being the world's foremost seller/developer of medical testing equipment and medical research and having access to so many medical records I can believe. But out of those millions of records, how did they determine she'd be resistant to the imprinting. Were they actively looking for a vaccine even then, even though they hadn't yet reached the remote imprinting anyone point yet, because as they said, once the tech was invented, that was the route things were going?
But I come to accept that they somehow knew. As for people complaining why did they do the whole Dollhouse thing if they just need her spinal fluid. Well, for one thing, even though they discovered she'd be resistant, I figure the Dollhouse was like testing to see the limits of that resistance. That and the multiple imprints built up the anti-bodies in her spinal fluid. Like I would think they'd just strap her to some machine, constantly imprint her to get the anti-bodies to continually develop, and extract them.
But that seems to fly in the face of the faux-eternal life thing the imprinting is capable of. Like Boyd imprints himself, so he's real amongst a world of made-up people. Is he just protecting himself, and he doesn't necessarily believe he'll be the one who turns the rest of the world into dolls and be in charge, just that he knows the tech will lead that direction by its very existence? Because if it is so he can be real over his kingdom of people crafted to be whoever he wants, what happens when he gets old? I would think he'd want to live on. But he can't protect a copy with the vaccine, because wouldn't that make it possible for the person he's imprinting into to resist?
And even with Caroline being special, then how does that explain Mellie breaking out of her assassin mode to kill herself so she wouldn't kill Ballard, or the Priya-Tony stuff? It sounds like people have some resistance and can overcome imprinting even without the Echo-vaccine. And upgraded Tony, how is that really him? I thought you couldn't actually modify a "real person" like that, it wouldn't be actually them. Like when he was telling Priya he couldn't just erase the memory of her killing that guy, because then she wouldn't be "her". I thought that meant she'd really be a copy of herself, slightly modified, but it wouldn't be the real her. But that's still screwy, its like with Helo and Wesley. Well, Wesley had a significant personality alteration, and you could say Helo did also with him losing his loving Echo-ness, but if its them in their body, how is that not them? Unless you liken imprints to a soul, and the copy is a soul similar to yours but not you, so you're just sitting in a wedge somewhere. But how is the wedge really you though? If you can make backups of wedges, that implies those are copies also. So its almost like you die when you go through the doll process, and being "restored" is just putting this unmodified copy of your soul into you. Its not the same "consciousness" as it were, even though its your body and it has all your memories. Eh, the whole concept is definitely a huge mind-frak with all sorts of philosophical implications.
And what's up with the Clyde copies being evil? Like Clyde sounded like he was a good guy, but did Boyd modify the Clyde imprint to make it more amenable to continue pursuit of this technology, which made him evil? Or is it elements of the imprint took on characteristics of the imprinted, and one of the imprinted was kinda a dick, and it made a copy of itself, and that turned the new Clyde evil? Because when he was fighting Echo as Whiskey, he's all, "I don't care what happens to this body, there are many copies of me!" (how cylon-ish!), implying at some point his copies became cool with what his original was not.
In any case, isn't it kinda effed up in the end that they made doll Boyd go all suicide bomber-y? As some people on the boards brought up, its like making a kid blow himself up. Yeah, Boyd did some evil shit, but that thing they got to blow itself up wasn't Boyd really.
And the whole VicTopher thing, it sounds like the most insane backup plan ever, and there didn't seem to be time for Topher to think it through and imprint it. I assume after Boyd showed up and drugged Echaroline and Topher came through, they had to leave really fast. So 1) how did he immediately think after seeing Echo/Caroline's reaction, that it might be the Priya thing rather than a legitimate psyche problem, like they were expecting? 2) I assume Boyd would be watching him, when would Topher have had a chance to load up the chair with himself.
And even that's screwy. So, his backup plan assumes 1) Tony and Priya came back to the Dollhouse any time soon, 2) they'd be crazy enough to sit in the chair and upload on the word of a note that just says "press me". It worked out, but there were a lot of illogical assumptions there going on on both sides!
Owel, I'm definitely curious to see how this all ends, if they save the world. Though I think at this point, even if they restore everybody to "themselves", don't you now have billions of people who live in a world that has essentially fallen apart? So wouldn't fighting and strife begin anew? I mean, it would be ideal if everyone would come back and strive to rebuild society, but surely you'd have tons of people who'll want to grab power for themselves in this situation. The apocalypse has still happened, but you've basically traded all the crazies who don't care the world has fallen apart for real people who'll prolly be all upset to wake up in such a world!