games haven't been proven to be without a doubt harmful, so I'm really not impressed with their response, more like "ok, now get your facts straight and try again son"
besides the fact that they say nothing about unrated dvds. If anyone wonders, the reason I keep bringing it up is because I believe it's far more important that the gamees laws, as there's no way to stop a child from getting it. It has no rating! what is supposed to happen? is the clerk supposed to go "I'm sorry kid, but that is unrated, I can't sell it to you" yeah right.
...........I need coffee, I'm going to go get my caffine now.
Paper still wrongbigman_kSeptember 6 2006, 12:41:41 UTC
This paper doesn't seem to realize that minors have significant First Amendment rights. As the Supreme Court ruled in Erznoznik v. City of Jacksonville "Speech that is neither obscene to minors nor subject to any legitimate procription (i.e. - actual proven harm) cannot be barred to them solely because a legislature finds them unsuitable" "Under most circumstances the rights afforded by the First Amendment are no less appliable when the government seeks to control the flow of information to minors
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Re: Paper still wrongdclamSeptember 12 2006, 03:10:54 UTC
Depending on state child labor laws, children much younger than 16 can hold a job. Is it wise to extend this logic to 11-year-olds who have paper routes? I think not.
Further, you have failed to provide any research that corroborates your statement that "most" 16-year-olds have jobs and pay "tax's" (sic). Even worse, you say nothing of the intellectual, psychological, and other components that are required for a person to make good choices when voting. The fact that you can figure out how to post to Livejournal does not mean that you are capable of making an informed choice when casting a ballot.
Re: Paper still wrongzippydsmleeSeptember 12 2006, 18:19:44 UTC
Ok you got me on the facts but heres my point japan and England police thier youth a we bit less than we do and our their country's over run....with sex and boozeing....no,if Teens are so easy to vote in flocks or be mis lead the they should change the law and people over the age of 80 should not be allowed to vote either they are easier to mislead than anyone.
and 11 years haven't even hit full pubrity yet so using that as a argument point is sad,they dont' feed the Burger flipping jobs like the 16+ set dose,wile voting at 16 might not be the best of things it is high time the issue was look at again,but then this is a prudish nation that errs on the side of the stats quo...ya ya I know I am not making any sense been sick and my grammar is bad under normal conditions ,oh and BTW I never let facts ruin a good argument ^_~ oh and I am 30 nice to meet you ^^
If you are wondering WTF is wrong with me I am learning disabled and a wee bit strange :P
In most provinces in Canada, "unrated" is non-existent. The package may say "unrated", but you can't sell unrated movies up here, so it usually defaults to "18A" (equiv to "R") if it's "unrated".
So up here, is the clerk supposed to go "I'm sorry kid, but that is unrated, I can't sell it to you", is perfectly acceptable.
I'd actually be curious to know how major retailers like Walmart & Best Buy handle unrated movies...
Actually, in all my experiences with Wal-mart, it's quite difficult to buy R rated films. One time they wouldn't let a friend buy an R rated film, because two of our group were under 17. Umm....so does that mean if a parent comes through with kids they aren't allowed to get R films, because their kiddies might watch it?? Stupid double-standard.
Of course, they can't agree on store policy as it is; we asked three different clerk what was required to buy an R-rated film, and we got three different answers. (One was, 'Over 21', O.o where has that person been??)
I have no idea about unrated films though....I've never purchased one from Wal-mart.
About Canada...bigman_kSeptember 6 2006, 16:39:51 UTC
Canada's rating system is much more lienient then the U.S though. Most R rated movies get a 14A or even a PG rating up here. Only the most extremely gory or sexual explicit movies get an 18A or R were we live. Hence the reason i don't have as much as a problem with with government regulation up here. Personally i wish the OFRB would rate games rather then using the ESRB as many "M" rated games would most likely get a 14A here (such as Oblivion, Half-Life 2, Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, ect.)
Re: About Canada...jabrwockSeptember 6 2006, 17:21:05 UTC
Canada's rating system is much more lienient then the U.S though. Most R rated movies get a 14A or even a PG rating up here.
Actually, part of that is due to the fact that the US doesn't have a 14A rating. If it's not suitable for PG-13, which is only parental guidance recommended, it gets an R, which means you can't see it without a parent along. Up here if you have a movie that would *require* parental accompanyment, but isn't *that* offensive, then you can use 14A.
I've always wondered why they don't have a "14-15"ish age group for ratings in the US. Every other country does. But I guess it's mostly because in most states, you aren't considered an adult for most things until you are 21, so it kinda makes sense that their "mid" age limit is 17-18.
Personally i wish the OFRB would rate games rather then using the ESRBDitto, but I think like every other FB in Canada they just wanted an easy way out, and so they "adopted" the ESRB ratings for now. As with other evolving ratings systems, I expect within 10 years or so they'll develop
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besides the fact that they say nothing about unrated dvds. If anyone wonders, the reason I keep bringing it up is because I believe it's far more important that the gamees laws, as there's no way to stop a child from getting it. It has no rating! what is supposed to happen? is the clerk supposed to go "I'm sorry kid, but that is unrated, I can't sell it to you" yeah right.
...........I need coffee, I'm going to go get my caffine now.
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Further, you have failed to provide any research that corroborates your statement that "most" 16-year-olds have jobs and pay "tax's" (sic). Even worse, you say nothing of the intellectual, psychological, and other components that are required for a person to make good choices when voting. The fact that you can figure out how to post to Livejournal does not mean that you are capable of making an informed choice when casting a ballot.
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and 11 years haven't even hit full pubrity yet so using that as a argument point is sad,they dont' feed the Burger flipping jobs like the 16+ set dose,wile voting at 16 might not be the best of things it is high time the issue was look at again,but then this is a prudish nation that errs on the side of the stats quo...ya ya I know I am not making any sense been sick and my grammar is bad under normal conditions ,oh and BTW I never let facts ruin a good argument ^_~
oh and I am 30 nice to meet you ^^
If you are wondering WTF is wrong with me I am learning disabled and a wee bit strange :P
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So up here, is the clerk supposed to go "I'm sorry kid, but that is unrated, I can't sell it to you", is perfectly acceptable.
I'd actually be curious to know how major retailers like Walmart & Best Buy handle unrated movies...
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Of course, they can't agree on store policy as it is; we asked three different clerk what was required to buy an R-rated film, and we got three different answers. (One was, 'Over 21', O.o where has that person been??)
I have no idea about unrated films though....I've never purchased one from Wal-mart.
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Actually, part of that is due to the fact that the US doesn't have a 14A rating. If it's not suitable for PG-13, which is only parental guidance recommended, it gets an R, which means you can't see it without a parent along. Up here if you have a movie that would *require* parental accompanyment, but isn't *that* offensive, then you can use 14A.
I've always wondered why they don't have a "14-15"ish age group for ratings in the US. Every other country does. But I guess it's mostly because in most states, you aren't considered an adult for most things until you are 21, so it kinda makes sense that their "mid" age limit is 17-18.
Personally i wish the OFRB would rate games rather then using the ESRBDitto, but I think like every other FB in Canada they just wanted an easy way out, and so they "adopted" the ESRB ratings for now. As with other evolving ratings systems, I expect within 10 years or so they'll develop ( ... )
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