Sam in S8 | A Short Reflection

Sep 04, 2013 14:49

Hi folks! I know it has been quiet around these parts lately, mainly because I spent most of my summer hiatus busy with non-SPN related stuff. However, these last couple of weeks, I have also been writing in fits and starts on my missing S8 reviews, and even though I am far from being finished with any of them, I still hope I get at least some of ( Read more... )

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maenad September 4 2013, 17:05:48 UTC
Hi. :)

All in all, if Sam truly thought that Dean was dead, there was simply no reason for him to even try and look for his brother. After all, Sam knows for a fact that when Dean dies, he goes to heaven (Dark Side of the Moon). All he could do was to pick up the pieces of his life and try to move on.

I agree that this is probably what the writers were going for. But ... well, I still think it's shoddy and uninteresting. In Supernatural, saying someone is dead isn't very enlightening. They might be in heaven, hell or purgatory. Their souls might have been obliterated entirely. They might be a ghost. Given that there are other gods still extant, it's even possible that there are other places a soul might go.

And that's the thing. Yes, Dean went to heaven in Dark Side of the Moon, when it was advantageous for Yahweh and the angels (for different reasons) to send him there. He also went to hell when the terms of his deal demanded it. He came perilously close to becoming a ghost in In My Time of Dying. You could reasonably argue that Sam was right and Dean did spend the year dead (for a given value of 'dead') - only this time he went to purgatory, because apparently that's what happens when you stand too close to an exploding leviathan. There was always a reason why he went to a certain place. I don't understand why 'dead' is suddenly an answer.

And even if Dean did go heaven, why would that be a reason not to look? The other thing that happened in Dark Side of the Moon was that he and Sam were mercilessly pursued and tortured by Zachariah. He's dead, but Sam and Dean made a lot of enemies up there - and you'd think plenty of angels would hate them for their connection to Castiel. Heaven isn't safe. Except now, suddenly, it is.

It bothers me because Carver and his writers want it both ways. They want the rich complexity the previous seven seasons built up - where heaven is a morally grey place, where people like Naomi engage in torture and mind control to stay in power, and where the king of hell can buy himself an angel. But they also want heaven to be the good, fluffy bunny, he's-in-a-better-place-now afterlife so they don't have to engage with what the world they've created means for their characters.

However, I think it is possible to argue that the brothers had an unspoken understanding not to bring each other back from the dead, so I choose to re-interpret Sam and Dean's 'agreement' along those lines. Let's pretend it is just poorly phrased.

I'd say that piece of rationalisation was badly garbled, but this is a generous but reasonable interpretation of what they meant. I agree that they made some attempt to show that Sam imploded. It's just that by reducing it to 'Dean is dead and Sam is sad' they fail to do anything with it. As you say, we can draw on old episodes to work out Sam's behaviour ... but there's nothing new there. There were different contexts to stories like Faith and Mystery Spot that shaped Sam's actions.

I thought Dean's behaviour in season six was interesting because it provided new developments - Dean walking a careful line between honouring his promise to Sam and betraying it because the situation had changed. But here - they don't say Sam knows Dean is in purgatory and has to decide what to do about it. They don't say Sam doesn't know where Dean is and has to decide what to do about that. They just treat 'dead' as a simple category, and Sam's 'failure' is in not realising Dean isn't dead (even though he kind of was).

It just seems to me to be missing the point of any unspoken agreement they may have had ('don't break the universe' would sum it up for me) and sidestepping all the interesting aspects of the situation. I'm not angry at Sam for not looking - I agree that the story frames it as an understandable decision, and he was certainly miserable without Dean. I'm just frustrated because the logic they're using here doesn't seem to have anything to do with the logic they've used previously. I suppose I just have to accept that Carver isn't interested in any of the things I'm interested in.

But I am ranting again. Sorry. :)

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galathea_snb September 4 2013, 21:56:24 UTC
Hi there! You've been quiet this summer as well. I was hoping to see your Salvation review on my flist at some point, but apparently you're just as motivated to write as I am.

But ... well, I still think it's shoddy and uninteresting.
Don't get me wrong. I am not claiming this is a particularly good or interesting story. In fact, of all the possible narrative options the writers had at the end of S7 this is positively the worst they could have chosen. I was just tired of the accusation that Sam deliberately left Dean to rot in purgatory or did not look into his disappearance because he could not be bothered and saw his situation as a convenient way out of the life. I was also tired to read elaborate, long-winded explanations as to why Sam did not look for Dean that have little hold in the few facts that S8 canon actually gave us. In the end, I tried to find the version of Sam's story that was compliant with S8 canon and at least resembled a sensible Sam characterisation. Also, at the beginning of S8, I vehemently argued against the possibility that Sam believed Dean to be dead, so this is a kind of retroactive retraction.

In Supernatural, saying someone is dead isn't very enlightening. They might be in heaven, hell or purgatory. Their souls might have been obliterated entirely. They might be a ghost.
Well, as far as we know, purgatory is not actually a destination for human souls after their death. It's strictly reserved for monsters. Dean being sucked into purgatory was a one-time event in the history of earth, and the fact that he was alive and human was the reason why he could leave purgatory in the first place. He did not belong there. Sam could not have assumed that Dean's death had released his soul to purgatory. I daresay that, after Bobby, Sam had very good reason to believe that Dean would not have opted to become a ghost, and he had no reason to believe Dean would go to hell. So, from Sam's perspective, obliteration due to the explosion or heaven were the only two options in Dean's case.

I don't understand why 'dead' is suddenly an answer.
I'd say the term 'dead' is to be interpreted in the simplest possible way, namely as opposed to 'alive'. Dean physically died when he was ripped to shreds by the hellhounds, he (almost) physically died when he was electrocuted, he also physically died when he was shot in Dark Side of the Moon. But he did not die when he was pulled into purgatory. He was simply spatially displaced, just like he was temporally displaced in Time After Time. Bringing Dean back from the dead is against the natural order, Death made that very clear. Bringing Dean back from purgatory, however, is not. Given the Winchesters' history, Sam could not risk going against the natural order, again, and had to accept that Dean was lost to him, no matter if he thought heaven was a particularly peaceful place for Dean's soul or not. So, 'dead' is an answer because it gives Sam a reasonable motivation not to try anything to resurrect Dean. Had he know that Dean was actually alive, he would have taken steps to bring him home. :)

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galathea_snb September 4 2013, 21:57:13 UTC
And continued because LJ didn't allow me to post it all at once ...

Heaven isn't safe. Except now, suddenly, it is.
Well, let's face it, in the Supernatural universe the only real option for a soul to be at peace is complete obliteration. The ghostly realm, hell and heaven are just three different degrees of awful. Although I would argue that, if heaven were to be purged of its corrupt elements and if Sam and Dean's souls were to be left in peace in 'Winchesterland', heaven would at least present a viable option for the brothers' afterlife. Still, I agree that Carver & Co didn't really think this through in the context of the mythology. But well, what else is new. It's not like they did think many of the plots in S8 through with regards to past mythology.

But here - they don't say Sam knows Dean is in purgatory and has to decide what to do about it. They don't say Sam doesn't know where Dean is and has to decide what to do about that. They just treat 'dead' as a simple category, and Sam's 'failure' is in not realising Dean isn't dead.
I completely agree. As I said before, this is the worst possible narrative option the writers could have chosen, and it vexes me that this option was apparently chosen just to create some stupid conflict. The lack of creativity, the lack of in-depth examination of what this particular situation means for the characters is frustrating, and the extent of it, as well as the writers' obliviousness to it, tells me that the show as I knew it ended with Survival of the Fittest. I have no hope for S9 whatsoever. /sigh

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