Goddamn it!

[fuhrerchrist]

I'm sick of people claiming that truth is mutable and relative. Get it through your thick little skulls that experience is a constant, and truth cannot change. And try remaining congruous with your own logic too

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Re: truth

[fuhrerchrist]

1) I believe that true subjectivity is something people often mis-understand. Nietzsche understood the problem well, and it drove him mad. See, the whole concept of perspective is that it is in and of itself a perspective; and the asserting of subjectivity (and the "call to power of men" as Nietzsche had said, to where people should only trust themselves) is contradictory, because who am I to trust another man who asserts that one should only trust in himself? So, my solution and understanding to this problem is, that there is no problem. We don't have the right to claim truth outside ourselves. Can you John, right this instant, think outside your own mind? No. (If you did, I would bow down and hail you as god) The fact is, we create problems by the self-application regarding the relativism of truth unnecesarily (if you recall, the problem goes as follows: "truth is relative", and "truth being relative" is relative, and thus it is self-negating). Does my solution of disregard make sense?

2) "social psych"....well, there's an oxymoron....lol
but anyway, what you said makes sense, except it doesn't refute or address what I had said. Does the doomsday cult believe they themselves are wrong? (No) That's precisely my point. "I am never wrong" not "I was never wrong" or "You are never wrong" or "You were never wrong" or "Everyone is never wrong" or any other permutation....just the first....

3) John, what I'm implying is that the ultimate truth is very real, but in so far as they exist solely within our minds. But then again, SO DOES EVERYTHING ELSE. Thus the ultimate truth is of the present and present only. John, think about it, the word "truth" itself means only one thing. Truth cannot be false. It's values change corresponding the time. But it means just one thing. So once again, I know what you are saying, but all my argument is based off of is this: believe something false (only you, and no one else, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME) If you can, and ever if it were the most minuscule belief in all the world, you would have just shot my argument to pieces. (Of course, I also expect you to explain of this false belief of yours). =P

Great argument though John. I have never argued with anyone this persistent. And you know what, I have to say that I have never been more appreciative of anyone else either. Now bring on the refutations....(because there is one point I'm waiting for you to throw at me....and I've made myself weak of this point multiple times now...........think in terms of the way I presented time...)