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Oh darksong17. Little miss I have to be two faced to people on my friends list. Then de-friend them after copying their posts and shit to other people to stir up trouble. Oh wait. The de-friending went something like this. "I don't want to be friends anymore because you are breeding while rabbits are dying in shelters every day." But little did I know she was leaking shit out from my locked posts to other people in the stupid pet owners and snark communities. She made these amusing little things, but has never once owned a rabbit before. But shes a rabbit *expert.* This is also the same person that dumped off three guinea pigs at her local animal shelter once. Guess she must be a stupid pet owner.
So here's a little something from those snark cards she made about me. Ive had fun playing with them. :P And while I am at it I might as well clear some shit up, because after all, shes only backstabbing and making me out to be the stupidest rabbit breeder on the internet. Oh what the hell.
"just because my rabbits don't have names and I occassionally forget a few at shows doesn't mean I don't love them
*Clarification.* I am a rabbit breeder. I do not have to name my animals because I am never guaranteed to keep some of them. So they get to be called by their ear numbers. And really, the rabbit doesn't know the difference between an actual name, and me calling it by its ear number. now granted, some of my rabbits do have names. Like my ozzy breeding buck for instance.
Yes I have forgotten a bunny or two at a show. If you were to talk to alot of the rabbit breeders at the shows, you will find out that we have all done that at one time or another. Does that make us stupid? No. Do we ever see the animal again? Yes. As a matter of fact the club members hosting the show usually take home the animals that are forgotten. They keep them till they can find a way to re-unite them with their owners. Which was the case with my rabbit. When I realized I was missing a rabbit when I got home from the show, I made a few phone calls to the club members to track down my animal. And to see where it had gone to. I wasn't too worried about it, because I know alot of people in the show cirles, and fully trust them with my animals. As it turned out she went to someone I compete with. we made arrangements for her to be transported to me. I met up with that person at a show,and got her back. She was in tip top shape,and fine.
Also, I do treat my rabbits for ailments when they need it. I *do* vet them when they need it. I don't just let them die because I am too cheap to buy it medicine like alot of people do. Every single one of my animals are socail. I take the time to handle them every single day. I health check them every single day. Now if I didn't do those things, then wouldn't love them, and wouldn't generally give a shit about them.`
a 24x24 cage is fine. Rabbits don't move much, besides I don't have room for bigger cages for my millions of rabbits
*Clarification.* Most published rabbit books, current and old will tell you that a 24x24 cage is just fine for a pet or a breeding bunny. In fact ARBA says the minimum requirements for a six pound rabbit(which is mostly what i do have breed wise)should be nothing smaller then a 24x24. They also say that large breeds should be kept in nothing smaller then a 30x30.
Actually yes I do have the room. If you have ever seen my garage, its very roomy. The only things we use it for is storage and the rabbits. My cages range from 24x24's to 30x30's and larger. Right now I have over thirty cages in there with plenty of room to spare. And no I do not have millions of rabbits. :) I have what is considered a small herd. But if you look around at other rabbitries, you will find they have alot more animals then I do, with practically the same set up. :) `
the city tried to make me get rid of all my rabbits for some reason!
*Clarification.* Yes I had some city issues. Where a cop came in with a chip on his shoulder, and accused me of running an illegal business in town for breeding show rabbits. When it didnt work out with them, then they tried to slam a livestock/animal ordinance against me that didn't even exist. Which only resulted in getting the community extremely pissed off at them. Like it or not, that is the truth.
I can name at least three dozen other rabbit breeders I personally know across the country that have also been wrongfully bullied by the law in one way or another. More recently a friend of mine had a cop come onto her property about some dead cars sitting by her garage. He saw the rabbits, and turned her in to her city officials over them. Yet he never received a complaint on them. She was told she had to get rid of all her rabbits because her kids were no longer involved with 4h. And supposedly the city only allowed rabbits in town only if they were raised as 4h projects. She was also threatened by the cop. And was told that she'd be receiving a letter from the city stating that she would have so many days to get rid of all of her rabbits. Its been two weeks. Shes gotten the letter so far. Nor has she gotten rid of anything. So yeah, its not just the "BYB'S" that get wrongfully legislated against.`
pine is FINE!
*** Um actually, yes it is ok to use. Ive used both kiln dried and the regular. Never once saw a difference with health issues with my rabbits when using either one. If it was soooo terrible then I guess the farmers, and livestock and animal breeders must be culling off their animals left and right due to health issues. After all that is the next preffered bedding besides plain old straw. ;)
Oh yes. And there is this too to prove my point. :) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/1155/Pine.html`
My cages are NOT dirty, rusted, and empty!
**Actually my cages are not dirty. A little beat up, and yes some have some rust. But that does not mean its OMG TEH TERRIBLE! Rabbit cages can last for years. In fact the one picture she used is of a hand built wooden stacker I bought when it was newly built. Its at least ten years old. Ill probably keep it for a long time because theres nothing wrong with it structurely, and its too big too move. Rabbit cages do wear out. But this is where a good pair pliers, side cutters, and some brand new wire comes in. Well by golly if it gets a hole in it ya fix it!
As for the empty part, you don't know that because you have never seen my barn. In fact I do like to keep at least one empty cage around at all times in case I ever need it.`
Wire floors make cleanup easier when you have a million rabbits, who cares about sore hocks?
*** Wire floors do not cause sore hocks. You know what does? Poor breeding, thin foot padding's on the hind feet, owner too lazy to learn how to trim the poor rabbits toenails, causing the rabbit to sit back on the hocks more often. And sometimes they can get fungal infections that can cause sore hocks. It is never a cage related issue. If it were, then every single one of my rabbits would have massive sores on their feet. Of which they do not. :)
In fact, last year arba and the world rabbit councl did a test to see what type of flooring the rabbits liked. They placed several rabbits in a big wire enclosure. Half the floor was solid, and covered in straw. the other half was wire. Most of the rabbits preferred the wire flooring to solid. Meaning they were using it to lay on more often.
Yes wire cages are easier to clean. Its because they have a little called a dropping pan attached to the bottom of the cage. You pull it out. You clean it. You stick it back in. `
I just don't understand why my baby rabbits always die! Rabbits BELONG outside!
***Which goes to show how little you know about rabbits. And breeding. Baby rabbits die. They have a high mortality rate. There is nothing i can do when a doe decides to cannibalize her litter, lay them out on the wire, piss in the nest box when they are days old, kill them from being stressed for some reason, the babies are born dead, they die hours after birth no matter what i try to do to save them, I could go on. There's so many factors that play into a baby bunnies death. It has nothing to do with them being kept outside.
Rabbits are an outdoor animal. They have a fur coat. They are adaptable and can withstand very cold temperatures(what the fur coat is for) However they do better if they have a box to get into, or an eclosure. but they can survive outside. And they can successfully have their litters outside. Ive had many a good doe raise great litters during the winter months without me having to shove a heat lamp in the cage with her. The average nest box temp is about 90 degrees. So the baby bunnies do just fine.:)
Now if I wasn't able to keep my litters alive I wouldn't have young rabbits right now now would I?
BTW. Its not cool to go around asking to borrow money from people over the internet so you can adopt a rabbit from your local animal shelter. When you can't even afford the rabbit in the first place.
So here's a little something from those snark cards she made about me. Ive had fun playing with them. :P And while I am at it I might as well clear some shit up, because after all, shes only backstabbing and making me out to be the stupidest rabbit breeder on the internet. Oh what the hell.
"just because my rabbits don't have names and I occassionally forget a few at shows doesn't mean I don't love them
*Clarification.* I am a rabbit breeder. I do not have to name my animals because I am never guaranteed to keep some of them. So they get to be called by their ear numbers. And really, the rabbit doesn't know the difference between an actual name, and me calling it by its ear number. now granted, some of my rabbits do have names. Like my ozzy breeding buck for instance.
Yes I have forgotten a bunny or two at a show. If you were to talk to alot of the rabbit breeders at the shows, you will find out that we have all done that at one time or another. Does that make us stupid? No. Do we ever see the animal again? Yes. As a matter of fact the club members hosting the show usually take home the animals that are forgotten. They keep them till they can find a way to re-unite them with their owners. Which was the case with my rabbit. When I realized I was missing a rabbit when I got home from the show, I made a few phone calls to the club members to track down my animal. And to see where it had gone to. I wasn't too worried about it, because I know alot of people in the show cirles, and fully trust them with my animals. As it turned out she went to someone I compete with. we made arrangements for her to be transported to me. I met up with that person at a show,and got her back. She was in tip top shape,and fine.
Also, I do treat my rabbits for ailments when they need it. I *do* vet them when they need it. I don't just let them die because I am too cheap to buy it medicine like alot of people do. Every single one of my animals are socail. I take the time to handle them every single day. I health check them every single day. Now if I didn't do those things, then wouldn't love them, and wouldn't generally give a shit about them.`
a 24x24 cage is fine. Rabbits don't move much, besides I don't have room for bigger cages for my millions of rabbits
*Clarification.* Most published rabbit books, current and old will tell you that a 24x24 cage is just fine for a pet or a breeding bunny. In fact ARBA says the minimum requirements for a six pound rabbit(which is mostly what i do have breed wise)should be nothing smaller then a 24x24. They also say that large breeds should be kept in nothing smaller then a 30x30.
Actually yes I do have the room. If you have ever seen my garage, its very roomy. The only things we use it for is storage and the rabbits. My cages range from 24x24's to 30x30's and larger. Right now I have over thirty cages in there with plenty of room to spare. And no I do not have millions of rabbits. :) I have what is considered a small herd. But if you look around at other rabbitries, you will find they have alot more animals then I do, with practically the same set up. :) `
the city tried to make me get rid of all my rabbits for some reason!
*Clarification.* Yes I had some city issues. Where a cop came in with a chip on his shoulder, and accused me of running an illegal business in town for breeding show rabbits. When it didnt work out with them, then they tried to slam a livestock/animal ordinance against me that didn't even exist. Which only resulted in getting the community extremely pissed off at them. Like it or not, that is the truth.
I can name at least three dozen other rabbit breeders I personally know across the country that have also been wrongfully bullied by the law in one way or another. More recently a friend of mine had a cop come onto her property about some dead cars sitting by her garage. He saw the rabbits, and turned her in to her city officials over them. Yet he never received a complaint on them. She was told she had to get rid of all her rabbits because her kids were no longer involved with 4h. And supposedly the city only allowed rabbits in town only if they were raised as 4h projects. She was also threatened by the cop. And was told that she'd be receiving a letter from the city stating that she would have so many days to get rid of all of her rabbits. Its been two weeks. Shes gotten the letter so far. Nor has she gotten rid of anything. So yeah, its not just the "BYB'S" that get wrongfully legislated against.`
pine is FINE!
*** Um actually, yes it is ok to use. Ive used both kiln dried and the regular. Never once saw a difference with health issues with my rabbits when using either one. If it was soooo terrible then I guess the farmers, and livestock and animal breeders must be culling off their animals left and right due to health issues. After all that is the next preffered bedding besides plain old straw. ;)
Oh yes. And there is this too to prove my point. :) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/1155/Pine.html`
My cages are NOT dirty, rusted, and empty!
**Actually my cages are not dirty. A little beat up, and yes some have some rust. But that does not mean its OMG TEH TERRIBLE! Rabbit cages can last for years. In fact the one picture she used is of a hand built wooden stacker I bought when it was newly built. Its at least ten years old. Ill probably keep it for a long time because theres nothing wrong with it structurely, and its too big too move. Rabbit cages do wear out. But this is where a good pair pliers, side cutters, and some brand new wire comes in. Well by golly if it gets a hole in it ya fix it!
As for the empty part, you don't know that because you have never seen my barn. In fact I do like to keep at least one empty cage around at all times in case I ever need it.`
Wire floors make cleanup easier when you have a million rabbits, who cares about sore hocks?
*** Wire floors do not cause sore hocks. You know what does? Poor breeding, thin foot padding's on the hind feet, owner too lazy to learn how to trim the poor rabbits toenails, causing the rabbit to sit back on the hocks more often. And sometimes they can get fungal infections that can cause sore hocks. It is never a cage related issue. If it were, then every single one of my rabbits would have massive sores on their feet. Of which they do not. :)
In fact, last year arba and the world rabbit councl did a test to see what type of flooring the rabbits liked. They placed several rabbits in a big wire enclosure. Half the floor was solid, and covered in straw. the other half was wire. Most of the rabbits preferred the wire flooring to solid. Meaning they were using it to lay on more often.
Yes wire cages are easier to clean. Its because they have a little called a dropping pan attached to the bottom of the cage. You pull it out. You clean it. You stick it back in. `
I just don't understand why my baby rabbits always die! Rabbits BELONG outside!
***Which goes to show how little you know about rabbits. And breeding. Baby rabbits die. They have a high mortality rate. There is nothing i can do when a doe decides to cannibalize her litter, lay them out on the wire, piss in the nest box when they are days old, kill them from being stressed for some reason, the babies are born dead, they die hours after birth no matter what i try to do to save them, I could go on. There's so many factors that play into a baby bunnies death. It has nothing to do with them being kept outside.
Rabbits are an outdoor animal. They have a fur coat. They are adaptable and can withstand very cold temperatures(what the fur coat is for) However they do better if they have a box to get into, or an eclosure. but they can survive outside. And they can successfully have their litters outside. Ive had many a good doe raise great litters during the winter months without me having to shove a heat lamp in the cage with her. The average nest box temp is about 90 degrees. So the baby bunnies do just fine.:)
Now if I wasn't able to keep my litters alive I wouldn't have young rabbits right now now would I?
BTW. Its not cool to go around asking to borrow money from people over the internet so you can adopt a rabbit from your local animal shelter. When you can't even afford the rabbit in the first place.