okay, last one
Okay, I will drop this, but first, here are some stand-out comments from the Reclusive Leftist site (man, they are not kidding about the "reclusive" part):
How did it suddenly become shameful to have the background of a typical American woman, married with kids, college, a job, etc.?
I wasn't aware the typical American woman had been to college. I also wasn't aware that "married with kids, college, a job" was specific to Palin. Apparently that's why feminist liberals don't like Palin -- because she's married with kids, went to college and has a job. The Women Against Michelle Obama site is gearing up as I write.
When Sarah Palin spoke at the convention I instantly recognized her as kin, metaphorically speaking, because she’s so similar to my real blood kin. I’m related to lots of women like her. She reminds me particularly of one of my cousins.
Yeah, liking a candidate because she looks like your relatives isn't racially loaded at all.
Here is a woman who isn’t following the liberal feminist playbook, yet has achieved success in the male world. She didn’t focus her whole teen years on getting into an ivy league school. She college hopped, but did get a degree. She was a beauty queen. She married and had four (and now five) children. And, she lives in Alaska! So far away from the centers of power it isn’t even flyover country. She has broken every rule - and yet look where she is. Outrageous!
Yeah, that's it. Liberal feminist women are just jealous because they aren't beauty queens (and you know all "liberal feminists" -- by which I assume the commenter means feminist liberals, not liberal feminists -- went to Ivy League schools and live in big cities). This person should write speeches for Rush Limbaugh.
Although SP does not espouse the liberal feminist positions regarding reproductive choice, to me she embodies a feminist in that she is proving that a woman can flourish in the male world without sacrificing her desire to have children.
Phyllis Schlafly also flourished in the male world and had a lot of children. So basically we're defining "feminist" as "woman who is personally successful." Getting ahead for yourself is a feminist act, no matter how you accomplish it and no matter what you actually believe.
And I like that line about "without sacrificing her desire to have children". Because women who don't have children (or don't have children yet) have by definition sacrificed their desire to have children, because all women want children, now, and it's just that some of us bought into the myth that we should go to university and such, and our ladyparts got starved from all that blood unnaturally flowing to our brains, and our wombs started wandering around our bodies in search of sustenance, and also women who go to Ivy League schools don't have children. Ever. They give you a tubal ligation in frosh week.
Anglaches has pointed out that Palin with her not upper middle class life and standards is a kick in the face to all the people who thought that they are better and will always be better than the “lower classes”.
Yeah, she fired the governor's mansion chef because she wanted to cook for her family! How many of you have fired your chefs, you elitist jerks?
Classism is the same reason the Third Wave and Obama Movement hate the Clintons. They hate that he came from lower class roots and climbed to the top while having the gall to be successful with women.
Whereas Barack Obama was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
I am still shocked by it and I still reject it- especially coming from my fellow Leftists whom I thought believed everyone was equal- apparently if you’re the right pigmentation you’re more equal but if you’re the wrong gender you are not only less equal but something to be owned, used, and then exterminated.
It's reverse racism, I tell you! REVERSE RACISM!!!!!1!!eleven!
Personally, having experienced pregnancy and birth, I have to wonder if life isn’t as consistently feminist a POV as choice is. I know for myself I loved the little zygote and the little fetus that grew to be my daughter, I loved it from the minute I found out about it. I know to this day that I love that child like no other person living ever will. It’s the nature of being a well-balanced, good mother. So why is it different just because that fetus is unwanted?
Why, indeed? I mean, only an unbalanced woman would want an abortion! Who cares what unbalanced people want?
I’m not willing to say that Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and Mary Wollstonecraft weren’t feminists. They were all fervent anti-abortionists.
Yes, and as we all know, the state of medical science and the legal rights of women were exactly the same in Mary Wollstonecraft's day, which is why Wollstonecraft did not die of postpartum sepsis but instead lived to bomb the very first Planned Parenthood clinic.
With the options available to women today, it’s just as easy to argue that if a woman didn’t want that person in her uterus, she shouldn’t have invited them in. Every unprotected sexual act invites pregnancy.
"If you don't want a child, don't open your legs". I think I've read this before.
I think the modern feminist movement has become overly fixated on abortion, almost the way the First Wave was overly fixated on suffrage. Obviously the vote was imperative, but it was not the silver bullet. Women got the vote, and continued to be second-class citizens.
So I take it if McCain ran on a "disfranchise women" platform you would vote for that too?
Yeah, when you don’t want a child right now because of school/ work/financiary problems/ etc, you can have an abortion and get it over with. Yet there is a backlash to it: how many women who alreay HAVE children have faced the “if you can’t afford kids you shouldn’t have had them” retort which translates in lack of paid maternity leave, lack of options regarding flexible work, good career options for mothers, affordable childcare, etc?
The result of this is a species of “selfish feminist” who is in it only for herself.
Only selfish women have abortions! (Wait, I could swear I've read this before...)
It’s sometimes hard to know who the misogynistic feminists are. They seem to be feminists, equal pay for work of equal value, equal representation, equal access; but they hate anything that is female, that can only be done by females. Child birth, child rearing.
Child rearing can only be done by females! And did you know that if you don't want to do something at every possible opportunity, that means you hate it and everyone who does it? I didn't either, but then I am one of those skanky younger feminists.
Sarah Palin reminds one of the American frontierswomen - isn’t that an American icon to be proud of?
Yup, the romance of the American frontier: a source of pride for everyone.
In other news, the definition of "lie" has been changed to "thing I don't want to hear, la la la".
These women deserve McCain.
How did it suddenly become shameful to have the background of a typical American woman, married with kids, college, a job, etc.?
I wasn't aware the typical American woman had been to college. I also wasn't aware that "married with kids, college, a job" was specific to Palin. Apparently that's why feminist liberals don't like Palin -- because she's married with kids, went to college and has a job. The Women Against Michelle Obama site is gearing up as I write.
When Sarah Palin spoke at the convention I instantly recognized her as kin, metaphorically speaking, because she’s so similar to my real blood kin. I’m related to lots of women like her. She reminds me particularly of one of my cousins.
Yeah, liking a candidate because she looks like your relatives isn't racially loaded at all.
Here is a woman who isn’t following the liberal feminist playbook, yet has achieved success in the male world. She didn’t focus her whole teen years on getting into an ivy league school. She college hopped, but did get a degree. She was a beauty queen. She married and had four (and now five) children. And, she lives in Alaska! So far away from the centers of power it isn’t even flyover country. She has broken every rule - and yet look where she is. Outrageous!
Yeah, that's it. Liberal feminist women are just jealous because they aren't beauty queens (and you know all "liberal feminists" -- by which I assume the commenter means feminist liberals, not liberal feminists -- went to Ivy League schools and live in big cities). This person should write speeches for Rush Limbaugh.
Although SP does not espouse the liberal feminist positions regarding reproductive choice, to me she embodies a feminist in that she is proving that a woman can flourish in the male world without sacrificing her desire to have children.
Phyllis Schlafly also flourished in the male world and had a lot of children. So basically we're defining "feminist" as "woman who is personally successful." Getting ahead for yourself is a feminist act, no matter how you accomplish it and no matter what you actually believe.
And I like that line about "without sacrificing her desire to have children". Because women who don't have children (or don't have children yet) have by definition sacrificed their desire to have children, because all women want children, now, and it's just that some of us bought into the myth that we should go to university and such, and our ladyparts got starved from all that blood unnaturally flowing to our brains, and our wombs started wandering around our bodies in search of sustenance, and also women who go to Ivy League schools don't have children. Ever. They give you a tubal ligation in frosh week.
Anglaches has pointed out that Palin with her not upper middle class life and standards is a kick in the face to all the people who thought that they are better and will always be better than the “lower classes”.
Yeah, she fired the governor's mansion chef because she wanted to cook for her family! How many of you have fired your chefs, you elitist jerks?
Classism is the same reason the Third Wave and Obama Movement hate the Clintons. They hate that he came from lower class roots and climbed to the top while having the gall to be successful with women.
Whereas Barack Obama was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
I am still shocked by it and I still reject it- especially coming from my fellow Leftists whom I thought believed everyone was equal- apparently if you’re the right pigmentation you’re more equal but if you’re the wrong gender you are not only less equal but something to be owned, used, and then exterminated.
It's reverse racism, I tell you! REVERSE RACISM!!!!!1!!eleven!
Personally, having experienced pregnancy and birth, I have to wonder if life isn’t as consistently feminist a POV as choice is. I know for myself I loved the little zygote and the little fetus that grew to be my daughter, I loved it from the minute I found out about it. I know to this day that I love that child like no other person living ever will. It’s the nature of being a well-balanced, good mother. So why is it different just because that fetus is unwanted?
Why, indeed? I mean, only an unbalanced woman would want an abortion! Who cares what unbalanced people want?
I’m not willing to say that Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and Mary Wollstonecraft weren’t feminists. They were all fervent anti-abortionists.
Yes, and as we all know, the state of medical science and the legal rights of women were exactly the same in Mary Wollstonecraft's day, which is why Wollstonecraft did not die of postpartum sepsis but instead lived to bomb the very first Planned Parenthood clinic.
With the options available to women today, it’s just as easy to argue that if a woman didn’t want that person in her uterus, she shouldn’t have invited them in. Every unprotected sexual act invites pregnancy.
"If you don't want a child, don't open your legs". I think I've read this before.
I think the modern feminist movement has become overly fixated on abortion, almost the way the First Wave was overly fixated on suffrage. Obviously the vote was imperative, but it was not the silver bullet. Women got the vote, and continued to be second-class citizens.
So I take it if McCain ran on a "disfranchise women" platform you would vote for that too?
Yeah, when you don’t want a child right now because of school/ work/financiary problems/ etc, you can have an abortion and get it over with. Yet there is a backlash to it: how many women who alreay HAVE children have faced the “if you can’t afford kids you shouldn’t have had them” retort which translates in lack of paid maternity leave, lack of options regarding flexible work, good career options for mothers, affordable childcare, etc?
The result of this is a species of “selfish feminist” who is in it only for herself.
Only selfish women have abortions! (Wait, I could swear I've read this before...)
It’s sometimes hard to know who the misogynistic feminists are. They seem to be feminists, equal pay for work of equal value, equal representation, equal access; but they hate anything that is female, that can only be done by females. Child birth, child rearing.
Child rearing can only be done by females! And did you know that if you don't want to do something at every possible opportunity, that means you hate it and everyone who does it? I didn't either, but then I am one of those skanky younger feminists.
Sarah Palin reminds one of the American frontierswomen - isn’t that an American icon to be proud of?
Yup, the romance of the American frontier: a source of pride for everyone.
In other news, the definition of "lie" has been changed to "thing I don't want to hear, la la la".
These women deserve McCain.