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Nov 17, 2015 19:22

Here is something that I needed to write down here, not as a manifesto, but probably because I had to get it out of my chest. So bear with me ( Read more... )

paris, personal, world, politics, religion

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flake_sake November 18 2015, 07:38:52 UTC
Very well put. I despair so often when I try to explain to right wingers in my country how they are just doing exactly what the extremists want by persecuting normal muslims and really all people of colour.

I think that the passport story might get some of them thinking though hopefully. That one of the assailants was carrying a fake passport that was registered in Greece so that people here would wrongly be afraid of the refugees. It's such an obvious manipulation attempt, when all the other guys took a plane home from their Syrian exploits.

While I detest the rightwingers and their aim to wage war at the refugees, I do find myself in favour of a military solution to this.

We have so many refugees here in Austria and the tales they tell are horrific. A genocide is happening there right now and it's young angry foreighners from Europe and Russia who are commiting the atrocities there. Europe and also the US (for causing this with the second Iraq war)have a responisibility for the events in Syria.

But I think that any military solution can not happen half heartedly. All western nations do is order bombings. Bombs can only destroy and they can't discriminate between guilty and innocent people. Which is why I think, the real solution would be a really strong force of international ground forces. Soldiers can do much more than bombs. They can establish and protect medical facilities, schools, they can establish a new democratically elected government. They can help to rebuild as the allied forces did after WW2 in Germany and Austria.

But bombs alone help nobody, they are a coward's weapon and they only create more extremists among the survivors in the rubble.

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frenchani November 18 2015, 12:13:42 UTC
I agree that ground forces would be better than bombing, but I'm extremely wary of the so-called "interference duty" in another state.

The problem is that most killings done in Syris are actually done by Assad's army. And there's the fact that Turkey's main ennemy is the Kurdish fighters not Daesh!

Also, money is the nerf de la guerre, so instead of military solution we should work on way to dry up ISIS' ressources, like stopping to befriend certain countries and to sell them weapons, or preventing anyone from buying ISIS' oil for instance. Everybody knows who buys it...

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flake_sake November 18 2015, 12:45:10 UTC
Turkey is really problematic at the moment and if we are not carefull there will be refugees from Turkey before long...

Erdogan let the IS fighters travel freely, bombs the only ones who really do groundwork there and Turkey buys IS oil.

But instead of calling him out on it, Europe offers him three billions to keep the refugees in Turkey.

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frenchani November 18 2015, 12:52:19 UTC
The UE has been sucking for a long time now...

*sigh*

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flake_sake November 18 2015, 12:56:24 UTC
frenchani November 18 2015, 13:08:21 UTC
I know! I can't tell how sick I was when Manuel Valls went there...

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flake_sake November 18 2015, 13:18:28 UTC
I wish Europe would finally realize that we cannot claim any moral integrity if we deal with regimes like that.

Without some guys from the green party we would still have a "king Abdullah" centre in Vienna, and our (ex) minister of Justice was stupid enough to claim that the abaya is a "very comfortable piece of clothing" and that don't "kill people EVERY friday.

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