I've only watched the first four episodes so far (I'll probably finish the season this weekend), but I'm basically as spoiled as you can get at this point. My first inkling that Logan was toast came several weeks ago, when a critic I follow on Twitter posted that the new season was very good, but that something in the last episode was going to make a lot of fans "very, very, very, very mad." She used a lot of "very"s, and my immediate thought was "uh oh, Logan's gonna die," because nothing else could upset VM fandom more.
I do think that it was very ill-advised of Rob Thomas to go there and not understand just how great the backlash would be, I especially worry about what it means for the show going forward, but I must admit that I’m more frustrated at the moment that the twist seems to be all that most people want to talk about.
Yeah. If they wanted the conversation to be about a successful reboot (and I think it is successful!), they shouldn't have ended it this way, because now all the fandom is talking (raging) about is Logan. The thing is, they could have just written him out by sending him on some kind of long-term Navy assignment and either breaking him and Veronica up or having them be in a long-distance relationship in which we just never see him. I know both of those option would be frustrating and upsetting for the 'shippers too, but at least they leave a door open for fanfic and wishful thinking. Instead, Rob Thomas permanently blew up all of the goodwill the fandom had for him after the movie. I get that he basically wants to reboot the premise of the show, but it feels like there was maybe a less divisive way to go about that.
Anyway, I've always been more into the "snarky female private detective" parts of the show, so I'm interested in seeing what a potential S5 looks like.
I saw a lot of early reviews similarly warning that there was something that fans wouldn’t be happy about, and Kristen also mentioned the same thing, but at the time I thought there was no way that Rob would kill off Logan when he is such a fan favourite. I was almost sure that it was going to be Keith, especially with all the talk of his health issues and considering early retirement, so I was predicting that he would be killed off right at the end leaving Veronica as the sole person in charge of Mars Investigations going forward
And yeah I’ve never been that passionate about the relationships in Veronica Mars for some reason, similar to iZombie actually, I just don’t think it’s Rob Thomas’s strong point. So it was interesting to me how LoVe almost took over the fandom and everyone was sooo invested in it, when I always cared more about Veronica’s friendships and her relationship with Keith. I was reading someone yesterday complaining that nearly all of the fandom has given up on the show now, and it’s mostly just a few men on twitter who want a fifth season apparently XD
It will be a shame to leave it on this note, so I do hope that Hulu give a fifth season a chance and see if they can pull the new format off, but a lot of people seem convinced that Hulu won’t be interested. So many people have said that they choose not to watch any of the season after hearing the spoilers, and that presumedly affected the ratings a lot as we’re a small fandom anyway, but of course it’s always hard to know with streaming services when they don’t release the numbers.
In the run-up to the season, I considered that it might be Keith who would die, especially knowing that his health was going to be an issue for him, but the idea of very angry fans just kept bringing me back to Logan.
And yeah I’ve never been that passionate about the relationships in Veronica Mars for some reason, similar to iZombie actually, I just don’t think it’s Rob Thomas’s strong point
Agreed. I care a lot more about Liv, Ravi, and Clive's friendships than I do about Liv/Major. And honestly, I feel like Rob Thomas has been over Logan/Veronica since S2.
I think there will be a fifth season. Hulu has gotten a ton of publicity from this, and the critical reviews have been positive. Now, if the ratings (or whatever metric they use) tank for S5, there may not be anymore, but I bet they're willing to take a chance on one more season. The shippers are loud, but in the end they're just one part of the audience.
I’m hoping you’re right, presumedly Hulu were already prepared for a backlash when they agreed to the season that Rob had mapped out, so that must mean that they have confidence in Rob and Kristen’s plans? The only thing that gives me slight pause there is that it sounds like there was some miscommunication going on with how much swearing Rob was originally planning to include, he said that Hulu were caught off guard by the swearing/they wanted season 4 to still be accessible to seasons 1-3 viewers, so I wonder if that’s a bad sign on Hulu actually being on board for a grittier reboot?
I do think that it was very ill-advised of Rob Thomas to go there and not understand just how great the backlash would be, I especially worry about what it means for the show going forward, but I must admit that I’m more frustrated at the moment that the twist seems to be all that most people want to talk about.
Yeah. If they wanted the conversation to be about a successful reboot (and I think it is successful!), they shouldn't have ended it this way, because now all the fandom is talking (raging) about is Logan. The thing is, they could have just written him out by sending him on some kind of long-term Navy assignment and either breaking him and Veronica up or having them be in a long-distance relationship in which we just never see him. I know both of those option would be frustrating and upsetting for the 'shippers too, but at least they leave a door open for fanfic and wishful thinking. Instead, Rob Thomas permanently blew up all of the goodwill the fandom had for him after the movie. I get that he basically wants to reboot the premise of the show, but it feels like there was maybe a less divisive way to go about that.
Anyway, I've always been more into the "snarky female private detective" parts of the show, so I'm interested in seeing what a potential S5 looks like.
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And yeah I’ve never been that passionate about the relationships in Veronica Mars for some reason, similar to iZombie actually, I just don’t think it’s Rob Thomas’s strong point. So it was interesting to me how LoVe almost took over the fandom and everyone was sooo invested in it, when I always cared more about Veronica’s friendships and her relationship with Keith. I was reading someone yesterday complaining that nearly all of the fandom has given up on the show now, and it’s mostly just a few men on twitter who want a fifth season apparently XD
It will be a shame to leave it on this note, so I do hope that Hulu give a fifth season a chance and see if they can pull the new format off, but a lot of people seem convinced that Hulu won’t be interested. So many people have said that they choose not to watch any of the season after hearing the spoilers, and that presumedly affected the ratings a lot as we’re a small fandom anyway, but of course it’s always hard to know with streaming services when they don’t release the numbers.
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And yeah I’ve never been that passionate about the relationships in Veronica Mars for some reason, similar to iZombie actually, I just don’t think it’s Rob Thomas’s strong point
Agreed. I care a lot more about Liv, Ravi, and Clive's friendships than I do about Liv/Major. And honestly, I feel like Rob Thomas has been over Logan/Veronica since S2.
I think there will be a fifth season. Hulu has gotten a ton of publicity from this, and the critical reviews have been positive. Now, if the ratings (or whatever metric they use) tank for S5, there may not be anymore, but I bet they're willing to take a chance on one more season. The shippers are loud, but in the end they're just one part of the audience.
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