I will say that this comes from the CAtholic News Agency, which has its own agenda. But it does not mean that it is false or manipulated. On the contrary, in the two years I have been following this news agency, I have never known them to withdraw a statement; and my impression is that they are extremely careful in reporting facts. And the story agrees entirely with the character that other stories I heard give George Tiller.
"a large share of abortions are "chosen" not by the mother but by her family, or even by her employers, as a matter of convenience"
I'd be curious to know more about that. What are your sources? According to your sources, is that a phenomenon observed specifically in the USA, or perhaps in Italy or western Europe at large? what is the geographical area concerned by those studies?
I do not speak of "studies". You really are too keen on these things. Look around. How many women who have abortions have them because they do not want children? I have only ever met two who said that - and they never got pregnant in the first place. Every single case of abortion I ever met was caused by fear of losing one's job, one's partner, one's career, or by pressure from one's family. One case I knew saw a sixteen-year-old girl thrown out of the family home by her own father for refusing to abort her child. One medical student got pregnant and was horrified that it would interrupt her course (and that her family would regret the money they had cost). One woman had one to please her husband; as it happens, ten years later her marriage fell apart. These are all things I saw myself, not things I read in a paper. But if you want papers, I can find you dozens.
The sixteen-year-old girlfpbJuly 22 2008, 10:16:11 UTC
Oh, and when I say thrown out, I mean permanently. It was not a matter of hot words in a row: it was "Well, since you insist, you can bloody well deal with the bastard yourself". The girl left school, had to get a job in a factory, and did not see her father or family again for almost ten years.
My admittedly self-righteous question is: Where was mom before the girl got pregnant? Did she teach her daughter that she had "choices" prior to her abortion?
I get tired of much of the abortion argument. We bury our heads in the sand and not teach our children that our actions have consequences (or let the media teach them about sex and intimacy). We make obtaining contraception shameful and difficult and then decry organizations like Planned Parenthood that provide preventative options and women's health services (Granted, I'm not a big fan of Planned Parenthood's abortion agenda, but it seems that the harder pro-life pushes, the harder PP pushes back.)
But you're right. Forcing (or even coercing) a 16 year old into a life-altering procedure she does not want is not responsible parenting. It makes me angry and sad.
ACtually, I disagree with you - and agree with Humanae Vitae - that contraception leads to abortion. As for it being shameful, don't you think that might have something to do with human nature?
I have no problem with family planning. I can't say when "life begins." A am comfortable saying that pregnancy begins at implantation, because that's when my body knows it's pregnant. And in an ideal world, we could leave contraception issues between a husband and wife, with children welcome within a stable, loving home.
Sadly, such is not the case.
As for the shame factor, I guess I find it shameful for parents (and the rest of the village, for that matter) to abdicate responsibility for their child's sexual education only to villify those who step up to the plate because of the liberal bent being taught. It seems very counterproductive to the anti-abortion cause.
To everyone who read the abovefpbJuly 23 2008, 06:14:44 UTC
...although it would never occur to norwyn to style herself as heroic, that is what she is. She has had to bring up, for all practical purposes, alone, two disabled children (the kind, you know, that our brilliant doctors tend to insist on aborting, because they can never be happy - of course), while beset by a defaulting and, it would seem, vindictive former partner. What she says about her bond to her child should be seen in that light.
Re: To everyone who read the abovenorwynAugust 1 2008, 01:01:52 UTC
Thank you so much for your compliment...you are correct, I would never syle myself as heroic, as I see what I do every day as what I should be doing. Anyway, thank you again, it means a lot to me.
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I'd be curious to know more about that. What are your sources? According to your sources, is that a phenomenon observed specifically in the USA, or perhaps in Italy or western Europe at large? what is the geographical area concerned by those studies?
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I get tired of much of the abortion argument. We bury our heads in the sand and not teach our children that our actions have consequences (or let the media teach them about sex and intimacy). We make obtaining contraception shameful and difficult and then decry organizations like Planned Parenthood that provide preventative options and women's health services (Granted, I'm not a big fan of Planned Parenthood's abortion agenda, but it seems that the harder pro-life pushes, the harder PP pushes back.)
But you're right. Forcing (or even coercing) a 16 year old into a life-altering procedure she does not want is not responsible parenting. It makes me angry and sad.
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Sadly, such is not the case.
As for the shame factor, I guess I find it shameful for parents (and the rest of the village, for that matter) to abdicate responsibility for their child's sexual education only to villify those who step up to the plate because of the liberal bent being taught. It seems very counterproductive to the anti-abortion cause.
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