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The politics of Frank Miller

Apr 26, 2007 10:21

Well, well, well. It seems that my rooted detestation of Frank Miller and all his criminal works roused more interest among my friends than any other controversial idea I could toss at them. Well, then, on your own heads be it.

I have a deep, personal, vindictive hatred for Frank Miller, the cartoonist who originated 300( Read more... )

mussolini, comics, intellectual history, victor davis hanson, hollywood, nazism, russia, popular art, italy, america, frank miller, germany, immorality, the movie 300, politics, communism, fascism, hitler, greek civilization

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Re: The wacko here vs the wacko there. avandeg May 3 2007, 17:27:41 UTC
Wow! I didn't realize I stumbled into the fascist conservative propaganda machine here. I tried to present alternate views to discuss. I never said that my way was the only way and I didn't even say that any of your points were wrong, but I'm getting bombarded with ad hominems. I thought you wanted to discuss this topic. It appears that you just want a bunch of people to come kiss your butt and say you're smart. I'm not sure why you think that I'm egotistical. I actually read everything here. All the comments and I don't completely agree with them all, but I think they all have a perspective.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I don't know where you get that from my comments. What I said was that roles are created through appearance or media and people tend to take on the roles that they're given from convenience. I think that power does corrupt, but it's not always the same way. There are many weaknesses that are exploited through power. Laziness, lustfulness, greed, revenge, etc.; they're all magnified when we don't have imposed boundaries any more. We don't have villains in the White House. It's not a black and white comic book good vs. evil. I think the current administration has a lot of failings, and I am critical of some of their decisions, but a democracy makes their leaders accountable to the people. We have to criticize or we are lazy or cowards.

I've read Nietzsche and I know my history. I know about Mussolini's fascism and I know about Hitler's Fascism. I'll agree with you that the Leonidas in history was a hero sacrificing himself and his people for a greater cause just like the men at the Alamo. My point was that these men in this movie were not the Spartans from history and that Frank Miller perverted it into a propaganda message of the military for the military's sake. Their government was corrupt and their people were portrayed as lazy. Didn't you see the movie? I don't think it was funded by the CIA or any conspiracy like that. I think that we have been programmed to do this ourselves and perpetuate the message. It's pride and fear. It's not some greater agenda of the evil government. It's a gradual evolution. We blame all the evil of the Third Reich on one man Hitler, but there was the same evolution in Germany starting in the late 1800's. Nietzsche saw this and it drove him mad. Then his words were perverted and used to perpetuate the problem in a similar way that Frank Miller has taken something heroic and turned it into propaganda. Germany was an organism that grew over a couple of generations. Hitler was the product of this environment just as much as he was an engineer.

Every response here to me has just been "You're and idiot and you don't know what you're talking about", so evidently you can't discuss this point intellectually. If you can take the time to write this, why can't you spend 5 minutes with counterpoints. I'm actually someone who will listen to what you say without anger and without pride and I've spent a lot of time studying politics, history and philosophy. It's funny that I agree with you that the message is primarily fascist and that the movie is a perversion and you still slam me. If you think I'm wrong about something why not just talk about that?

So if this is a diatribe and I'm not invited to dissent, I'll leave. I'm just here to talk. I enjoyed your commentary when you weren't calling me an idiot.

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Re: The wacko here vs the wacko there. fpb May 4 2007, 09:19:58 UTC
I just posted a response to this as a new post in this LJ.

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