FK and Fanfiction Musings
You know, one of the great things about fandom is that we get to see how everyone views the same show differently. Recently, wendelah1 had a similar observation in one of the X-Files fanfiction communities. It's obvious numerous interpretations happen in all fandoms
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We also know she gave him Schanke's blood in "Dark Knight," because I doubt she gave it through an IV when he could just drink it. He wasn't knocked out or passed out after all. Uh, that makes no point toward my Nat theory, but just thought of another time she gave him human blood.
But yes, that's my point that everyone interprets characters differently. Some slam others for their ships or interpretations of character, but it occurs with the accepted views, too. Like in FK, most say Nick stays away from human blood, but the show clearly shows he doesn't and he doesn't feel tormented about it when he does indulge.
And, yes, I agree that I have a different view of Natalie than most. I think we all agree that she is a strong independent woman, but I also view her as another person trying to force her expectations on Nick. I think she is more like Lacroix than most would would say she is, lol. I know you have the view that she would be a good mate for Lacroix because they have some similarities in personalities. I think because she is so much like Lacroix that it wouldn't be possible. They'd fight over Nick too much in my opinion. =)
Thanks for commenting. I wanted someone else's opinion. =)
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>but the fact that Natalie knew how many bags of plasma he had for breakfast in "Blackwing" tells me it might be a possibility.<
Interestingly, I've never interpreted the scene that way that Natalie was present when he consumed his 3 bags of blood. I've always assumed that she doesn't mean that figuratively (is that the correct expression?). You know like she guessed that he had 3 bags because she knows he drinks blood for breakfast.
>We also know she gave him Schanke's blood in "Dark Knight," because I doubt she gave it through an IV when he could just drink it<
Yes, but if he had drunk Schanke's blood, he would have known that it was Schanke's. He was quite surprised, however, when he figured it out, so I assume he must have ingested it via an alternate route. Maybe he passed out when he realized that he had killed Lacroix. ;)
As to Natalie, she is often placed on a high pedestal. I don't see her in that flawless way, e.g. in Fallen Idol she cheats on Nick by giving the mentally retarded boy Nick's blood despite his warning. She clearly has her own view and is not afraid to push it if she she thinks it's right.
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As for the expression, I think you meant she doesn't mean that literally, but if that's the case why didn't she say the more accurate, "You had three cups of bovine this morning," or just say blood? She purposely said "donated," which suggests to me the writers wanted to make sure we knew Nick was still a "good vampire," because he only consumes donated blood.
And you're right about Schanke's blood. Of course at the time, I doubt the writers thought about the whole "know the person completely" back then, but as I said, we are trying to make it fit as writers.
And, yes, I was so disappointed in Nat when she went behind Nick's back in "Fallen Idol." and you're right that she's put on a pedestal and that she will do what she wants and what she thinks is right--even using Nick or more specifically, his blood without permission--despite Nick's wishes. Does that sound like someone else we know? LMBO
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She guessed he had blood bags for breakfast. She specificially stated he was drinking human blood, even if she was taking a guess, so that means she has some knowledge that it's a common occurrence. I just think the fact that she knows it is donated could mean that she is the one who brought it to him. It's almost like, "Well, if you're going to drink it, at least let me make sure it's donated." Like I said earlier, I doubt Nick had the conversation that consisted of "Hey, I drank three blood bags this morning, but don't worry, it was donated," LOL. (Or some such conversation in the past, which made her assume that he drank donated blood that particular morning.) Of course, it's possible that maybe that did happen! Maybe the characterization of Natalie in regards to blood is right, that she wouldn't bring him blood, and that Nick's characterization of being the person who wouldn't talk about that kind of thing with Nat is wrong. LMBO!
Oh, that's when we get into the territory where English students start questioning with each other if they're overthinking something. LMBO! Love it! =)
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Of course, one still has to interpret the scene. I drew on it when I wrote "Tangled Web", the 19th episode of FK4. (The homepage is here.) In my notes to it (here), there's a whole section on "plasma" and its implications. Plus my extrapolations; but, of course, those are specific to the story.
Basically, in canon we never see Nick with plasma. The blood bags Lisa saw in the fridge were red. Of course, this probably really just means that the scriptwriter was indulging in a bit of ignorant "elegant variation". However, there is no way that Natalie wouldn't know the difference between whole blood and plasma. She's a doctor! So, when she says "plasma", she must mean plasma, not whole blood-which makes the scene even more interesting, since one then wonders why Nick is drinking a blood product.
Whether Nick gets the plasma from Natalie or not, this is something else that is simply overlooked by fans.
Oh, and there's the whole "bloodwine" thing. The term is pure fanon; and the whole idea that vampires today drink "bloodwine" is based on one line of Janette's in an early episode. A lot has been spun from a throwaway remark!
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Yeah, about the bloodline, I think it makes sense that is served at the Raven since Janette owned it and made the product. Besides, it is a bar/club after all--it's supposed to serve alcohol, lol.. Of course, you are also correct to point out that regular blood is also served. In regards to Nick, I don't think he drinks bloodline at all at home. His bottles are filled with bovine undoubtedly since we have seen him filling his bottles with blood.
On a somewhat unrelated topic, I never read the virtual season. Why, you ask? I don't know where, but I got the impression that they completely ignored the Nick/Nat interaction canon brought us, and put them back as simply friends, and even reluctant friends at that...like they didn't like Nick and Nat interacting romantically so they tried their best to put it back as the status quo and ignore what happened and the feelings they had. I don't even know if that's true, but I picked it up somewhere. Since you wrote some of these "episodes," maybe you can tell me if that's accurate or not.
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The second 4th virtual season has been written by Greer all by herself. They are like episode scripts. There are also some UF moments as are in the other virtual 4th season, so I wonder that you skipped those so far. Both 4th seasons are fine works and wonderful contributions to keep the characters alive after the series ended.
Back to Blackwing, with all the different interpretations out there, I just wondered if everybody else believes that Nick bites Marion in the end when his eyes are glowing in order to take his evil back. Or is there another interpretation?
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As for the incident you mentioned, I must rewatch that episode tonight. I never thought Nick bit her, but now that you have mentioned that interpretation, I want to go back to see if I see it. Off the top of my head, I would think he took it back in the spirit plain akin to the way she took it and his eyes were glowing to signify he got it back...but when I watch it tonight, I'll come back with a more concrete answer.
And ugh, I noticed above my stupid iPad corrected bloodwine to bloodline. Grrrr, lol.
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Computers are very stupid. (I did wonder what had happened. I mean, anyone can make a typo; but it happened more than once!)
"I'm just wondering if you're confusing the two virtual fourth seasons. Yes, there are two."
Indeed. And both have to be called fourth seasons because each supposedly follows directly from Season Three. They do, however, have rather different premises.
Each was written over much the same period of time. However, one was done by a group of active on-line fans who organized themselves to decide on story ideas and collaborate on the direction of their season, which they wrote in the form of short stories. That version (often called V4S, standing for Virtual Fourth Season) assumes that "Last Knight" took place. That means that Natalie was nearly killed by Nick; so it's not surprising that she backed away from him a little, at least on the romantic level. Also, though the writers had her whisked off to hospital in the nick of time, they did not save Tracy: instead, they gave Nick a third partner.
My own Season Four (which I dubbed FK4, to keep the two distinct) was written before I became active on-line; so it is very much a one-woman project. It is based on the rather different premise that "Last Knight" did not take place. It therefore follows on directly from...oh, say, from "Francesca". Tracy is still Nick's partner; Vachon and Urs are still alive. There are some changes, but no more than one might get between seasons of any series.
If you want to try it, I should warn you that it's written in a sort of variant script format. However, you are obviously accustomed to reading plays; so that shouldn't give you too much pause. It's a full season of 22 episodes.
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For V4S: http://foreverknight.wikia.com/wiki/V4S
For FK4: http://foreverknight.wikia.com/wiki/FK4
Also, Amelia Schaffer wrote an essay comparing them.
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Thank you for clarifying about the two seasons. I will be sure to check yours out. I might even check out the other.
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Oh, I agree! That's why, at one point, I stopped and rewrote it. However, the revised "Ashes to Ashes" isn't on my website, since I need to rework it some more, and I've never got round to it.
The revised version has much the same plot, of course. However, I contrived a way to save both Vachon and Urs.
I guess FK4 really follows on after "Ashes to Ashes (revised)". For practical purposes, though, until I put it on the website, you have to reckon that it follows "Francesca".
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That was the way that I took it, too.
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