3x17; Normandy...

[nomorefrostbite]

Hello my beautiful people! Long time no Mod Post.

My apologies for not posting about NORMANDY. Even though I should have all of two weeks ago.

I'm still somehow recovering from it? And life has been crazy. BUT MOSTLY STILL RECOVERING In My Bunk.

Basically. I'm slow. Because my mind was blown.

Helen: "John! What have you done!"
John: "What I

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[nomorefrostbite]

It was just... so not-classy.

AKA - THE EPITOME OF WILLNESS. Unclassy to the max.

I think what annoys me most about Will and how he's turned out is the fact that he had all this potential to be such an amazing character. He started out being this awkward brainy personable young guy who as kindof like THE VIEWER. The outsider looking in, you know? We were learning about the Sanctuary with Will as he expanded his own view of the world.

But he just changed so so much and became someone who swings between casting doubts all over every decision Helen ever made and naysaying her and JUDGING her, and trying to be this awkwardly chummy not very good psychiatrist for her.

He's not her protege, he's not learning from her, he's stopped being a guy that is RELATEABLE in my opinion.

Instead of loving and trusting Magnus, he comes across half the time as thinking she's fucking crazy and in need of professional help.

In the words of Zach Galifianakis in Due Date... "YOU BETTER CHECK YOURSELF BEFORE YOU MESS YOURSELF."

It hurts because I used to love Will, and now I can't stand the sight of him, just because of the way his character has been developed.

STILL LOVE ROBIN DUNNE THOUGH. Which is something fandom seems not to understand.
You can love the actor and hate the character.

[nomorefrostbite]

IA.

It feels so much of the time like the show is about Will... that Will is the lead, not Helen.

Sometimes I wonder if he really is and I just didn't realise!!

It's just very frustrating isn't it. Sometimes Will has these moments of brilliance and I remember why I loved him in early season one... and then he gets naked, shags some skank, and steals people's food.

UGH UGH UGH.

PS. RATINGS ARE IN!!!!!!

[yazizzle33]

Hey, just popping in to say I agree with this entire conversation about Will's development post-season one. My comment under this one is kind of weirdly flaily, but basically I thought I was alone in disliking/hating what happened to Will's character because I only ever meet Helen/Will shippers and Will lovers (sort of; they just don't really see the bad) but now I know I'm not alone and I love it!

[nomorefrostbite]

YOU ARE NOT ALONE, BB. ♥

To be fair though, disliking/hating (let's be honest here, it's more the latter than the former) what's happened to Will's character is a REALLY REALLY unpopular opinion in Sanctuary fandom, and most of the tie it warrants a lynch mob being sent after you.

I only feel vaguely safe ranting on my own lj, and ranting here, because yo i'm The Mod so if someone kicks off at me bout it, I'LL KICK OFF AT THEM RIGHT BACK and be well within my rights to.

Abuse of Power ftw.

It's sad to see that Helen/Will shippers seem to be the VAST MAJORITY of online Sanctuary fandom. Especially when not only is John/Helen and now Helen/James COMPLETELY CANON, but Amanda 'Queen T' Tapping herself says that JOHN IS HELEN'S TRUE ETERNAL LOVE AND THE ONE SHE'LL ALWAYS LOVE AND HELEN/WILL HOOKING UP WOULD BE KINDA GROSS.

The way all of fandom idolises Amanda, you'd think her word would be GOSPEL LAW.

[yazizzle33]

Oh no, I try to keep myself safe by never saying anything about Will when I'm in other places. I feel pretty safe here though seeing as it's a John/Helen comm, and finding other people who feel the same way made me want to speak out and say, I'm part of that tiny, little group as well. But yeah, I've recognized that it's a very, very unpopular opinion but that's where I tend to live in fandoms. I'm used to it.

I approve of your Abuse of Power though. I'd do it. ;)

[nomorefrostbite]

I shall protect all my likeminded people with my MAGIC POWER ABUSAGE.

What other really unpopular opinions do you have? I love unpopular opinions of all varieties.

[yazizzle33]

Um, well I ship Cordelia/Angel, which is like HUGE unpopular opinion in the Buffyverse. I also ship Wesley/Lilah and Buffy/Spike.

Oh, I think I'm in the minority cuz I don't ship Helen/Nikola. Every since someone pointed out that he read gay for them, that's all I see so I just can't with them. I will say, though, that AT and JY have really great chemistry and I enjoy all of their episodes. I'm not sure if shipping Kate/Henry is unpopular but I imagine it would be cuz I've seen Will/Kate shippers out there too.

Going back to Angel, I adored Cordelia Chase. She's a pretty hated character in that fandom. I was meh about Fred only because I thought her character had so much potential pre-season 5 what with her being in that hell dimension for like 5 years. I guess I just didn't like how she became the middle of this love tringle between Gunn and Wes. I am a fan of Illyria though, and Amy Acker is one of the best actresses out there! She is something fierce!!

I don't think many peopled like Alpha/Echo in Dollhouse, but I loved them and their insane-ness. I pretty much hated Paul in it, though I did like him with Mellie/November. I ship Adelle/Dominic in that fandom too, and Adelle is basically my queen. Oh, I ship Whiskey/Topher. That would've been amazing, though I'm pretty fine with Topher/Bennett.

Just reading this back, it's all mainly to do with ships. :/

But yeah, those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Idk if you know of the fandoms. I'm not active much in any of them. What about you? What are your unpopular opinions?

Oh and can I just say that I think they need to use Kate SO much more in Sanctuary? I would've LOVED it if it had been Kate and Helen stuck in that time dilation field thing in 'Carentan' rather than Will. I think the scenes between Kate and Ravi would've been gorgeous, and I would've loved to have seen how Ravi would've reacted to a much more patient Kate, because I think she's changed a bit since he's seen her. I want to say that's not so unpopular though.

Anyways, that's all I've got. LOL.

Oh, I just realized I didn't touch on Firefly. Maybe tomorrow, this is already quite long...

[yazizzle33]

Oh you are few and far between. Most B/Aers I meet are opposed to C/A like no other. I'm glad you aren't like that. but yes, they did indeed frakked it up. I would say that I'm still mad at Joss for what he did, especially to Cordelia. Oh and I read this amazing fic a long time ago about how it was like for Cordy being stuck in her own body without any control and it just revived my hatred for Joss. That guy. Ugh. I have no words.

I did like that girl too, but I'm just so opposed to Will being with anyone at the moment and the fact that they keep doing it is so annoying that I automatically don't like it. I would've liked the girl more too if she hadn't been interested in Will at all because she was smart and had potential to be a really cool (possibly) one-shot character. Whatever. I've sort of resigned myself to not always getting what I want. At least I'm not alone in thinking that having Kate and Helen together would've been awesome.

[yazizzle33]

Ugh, that season would've been so much better if nothing had happened with Cordelia and Connor. I don't even know why that happened because it was a total crap way of bringing Jasmine into the scene. Just total crap. Oh and can I just say that it pissed me off even more that they killed her because Charisma had signed on to do the 100th episode as long as they didn't kill her character and after she signed the contract they went and told her that that's exactly what they were going to do. Horrid! I do like the way she went out, and I also tend to believe that she didn't died, but that she transcended. That makes it only slightly better.

Agreed.

[yazizzle33]

Yep, they totally did that. And it's not like fandom rumors or anything because there's a couple of vids on youtube, where someone asks her about it at one of the cons, and she basically tells the entire story of what happened. It's nuts!

[nomorefrostbite]

Omg Angel/Cordy is way unpopular in BTVS fandom, but in ATS it's almost considered a sin worthy of death NOT to ship Angel/Cordy!!
IDK what it's like these days, maybe things have changed, but back when it was airing still Angel/Cordy was the major dominant ship.

Times have probably changed though and fandom changed with it. I haven't been involved in ATS fandom since it finished to be honest sooooo many years back.

WESLEY/LILAH IS SO HOT THOUGH. My otp for ATS is definitely Wes/Fred, but that isn't to say Wes can't have dirty wonderful sex with Lilah on the side. If things with Lilah had panned out differently, i'd probably be them over Wes/Fred. They were so perfect with each other.

And Buffy/Spike became wayyyy more popular than Buffy/Angel in the end. Probs because James Marsters is just that damn good?

KATE/HENRY IS BIG. Kate/Will is always there though, and people do seem to love Will/Any Girl Ever, so no matter what female character you have a chunk of fandom will want Will to hook up with them.
But Kate/Henry isn't a minority by any means.

LOVE ILLYRIA SO SO SO MUCH.

Have to admit, I was totally shipping Alpha/Echo. Echo was so dull to me until Alpha got involved. I love that Whiskey was the old Echo, then got slashed up by Alpha, and now Echo is the new Whiskey!
Alan Tudyk is just FLAWLESS.
I agree though that Paul is a loserface.
ADELLE/DOMINIC.
I wanted so much more of that always. Ugh.

YES LET'S TALK ABOUT FIREFLY.

Basically, my hugely unpopular opinion is forever going to be LESS WILL. NO WILL/HELEN. That opinion in itself makes me unpopular enough for any fandom.

Oh! And do you watch Doctor Who?

Because back last season and then Ten's seasons, EVERYONE HATED RIVER SONG. Like she was beyond despised. And I loved her beyond all reason.
And NOW with the current Matt Smith season, everyone suddenly adores her and is acting like they were always fans, whereas back in Silence in the Library, fandom was up in arms calling her "presumptuous" because the Doctor isn't supposed to love anyone blah blah and how dare she and how dare Moff.

I always loved her.

BSG... I was in love with LIEUTENANT GAETA, and also with TORY. But supposedly everyone hates Tory. Rekha Sharma was my tv girlfriend.
And people apart from a hardcore tiny group of Alessandro fans hate Gaeta.

TORCHWOOD... hate Gwen with a fiery passion.
DO NOT SHIP JACK/IANTO UGH.

I have way too many fandoms.